Dustem Dave Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 Anyone on here sufer from recoil,i shoot about 100 shells on a weekly basis,but then for the rest of the week my arm kills me right down into my hand,i think the gun fits me ok,its about 8.5 pound in weight,i,ve even had an isis fitted,my mates shoot the same make of gun,shoot alot more than me yet don't suffer,the cartridges are the smoothest i can find, don,t really want to try an auto, or 24 grm shells, any other suggestions other than giving up or just putting up with the pain,or would this cause long term damage? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAL S Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 (edited) have you tried hull comp X they are like shooting a 410 as far as recoil but kill like all the rest but i would get the fit checked out and make sure you are mounting the gun right Edited January 8, 2012 by MAL S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver pigeon 3 Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 As Mal S said it is likely to be a gun fit/mounting issue. Also the Hull Comp X are extremly light on recoil, even in 28g. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 Hello Dave, It's highly unlikely that changing cartridges would solve the problem, your issue does not appear to be recoil related in absolute terms. If as you say your gun weights 8.5 lbs and you also have an ISIS fitted then unless you are very small in stature then you should be able to absorb 100 shots worth of recoil no problem. I'm interested in the arms aching bit, which one and what sort of pain? Is it the weight of the gun itself perhaps or definitely recoil induced? It sounds very unusual anyway. Recoil can cause all sorts of problems to different people, just lately I began to suffer cuts to the second joint of the trigger finger. It was being caused by the BACK recoil of my 682e/PFS stock. I solved it by a combination of stiffening the stock mechanism, wrapping a little duct tape round the trigger to soften the sharp edge and re-learning to use the pad of the first joint for pulling the trigger. I would have to see you shoot but I bet there are other reasons for your troubles. If for instance your neck is taking undue punishment then it is possible that this transfers down the arm somewhat!? There are more things that can be done besides the ISIS too, some quite simple which will help, possibly enough to raise you above the threshold your body is able to stand in a session. Is this a new occurrence or have you shot trouble free with previous guns? Have you got access to a 2nd or friends gun that has the same fit characteristics that you can try for a couple of weeks etc? Give us more info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 Dave Sound advice all round but until you get to the nub of the problem get some Hull Comp x 21 gram 7.5s and that will keep you shooting and provide temporary relief. It's like shooting fresh air bug they work fine for sporting etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 I am not entirely sure it is related solely to recoil - it seems to have an excessive effect - but my youngest has a Gel-tec recoil pad in his skeet vest. Smashed his shoulder at motocross and had a plate inserted. Always felt recoil more than he normally should, as he is a very big / muscular lad. Cured the problem for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaserF3 Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 It sounds as if you are suffering from a damaged nerve to me. With all the bits and bobs on your gun in theory you should have very little recoil. Have you tried changing the springs in the ISIS system? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 (edited) It sounds as if you are suffering from a damaged nerve to me. With all the bits and bobs on your gun in theory you should have very little recoil. Have you tried changing the springs in the ISIS system? The ISIS springs are not changeable in the recoil sense, you can only stiffen up the initial up-take for people who pull the gun into their shoulder prior to calling for the bird, like DTL for instance. I am always against curing recoil related problems by dropping down shell wise, it tends to ignore the source . Edited January 8, 2012 by Hamster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdSolomons Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 Gotdamaged nerve written all over it to me. Sack shooting off for a few weeks and speak to your dic. No amount of pads/light shells will fix it, but the doctor can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaserF3 Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 Stop shooting and see your Doctor is the best advice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dustem Dave Posted January 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 Hello Dave, It's highly unlikely that changing cartridges would solve the problem, your issue does not appear to be recoil related in absolute terms. If as you say your gun weights 8.5 lbs and you also have an ISIS fitted then unless you are very small in stature then you should be able to absorb 100 shots worth of recoil no problem. I'm interested in the arms aching bit, which one and what sort of pain? Is it the weight of the gun itself perhaps or definitely recoil induced? It sounds very unusual anyway. Recoil can cause all sorts of problems to different people, just lately I began to suffer cuts to the second joint of the trigger finger. It was being caused by the BACK recoil of my 682e/PFS stock. I solved it by a combination of stiffening the stock mechanism, wrapping a little duct tape round the trigger to soften the sharp edge and re-learning to use the pad of the first joint for pulling the trigger. I would have to see you shoot but I bet there are other reasons for your troubles. If for instance your neck is taking undue punishment then it is possible that this transfers down the arm somewhat!? There are more things that can be done besides the ISIS too, some quite simple which will help, possibly enough to raise you above the threshold your body is able to stand in a session. Is this a new occurrence or have you shot trouble free with previous guns? Have you got access to a 2nd or friends gun that has the same fit characteristics that you can try for a couple of weeks etc? Give us more info. Thanks for the replies,i,m not a small guy far from it,weight of gun not a problem as i work in constuction so heavy lifting is an every day occurance, had similar with a previous gun, could be something to do with the neck as i shot 100 targets yesterday and both my neck and arm are hurting,get no bruising what so ever to shoulder and don't notice shells kicking at the time of shooting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 iv never had any prob with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 From what I know about nerve damage (I damaged one) yih pretty much have to rest it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COACH Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 (edited) Yeah, sounds like nerve damage to me as well. If your in the building trade and use the right arm to lay bricks, plastering, paint etc, etc you could have a nerve damaged in the neck. This will cause the pain down the arm. If towards the end of the shoot your arm and neck starts to ache/hurt, maybe a bit of a head ache and it's worse on high or driven targets, then it's almost certainly a neck injury usually from wear from constant use, a repetitive strain injury. Physiotherapy followed by Hull Comp X 28g or 21g and a D30 shoulder pad along with the Isis should solve and keep at bay the problem. This injury is quite common amongst manual workers who shoot. Go get it checked out by your G.P Edited January 8, 2012 by COACH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshLamb Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 I shoot between 100-300 clays a week, but I use 24g. any bigger than that and I feel like my shoulder has been stamped on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdSolomons Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 I used to get shooting pains down my right forearm all the time- turns out it was catching bricks and pointing up (not excessive masturbation as I suspected). Get it looked at, rest it and swap hands at night! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dustem Dave Posted January 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 I used to get shooting pains down my right forearm all the time- turns out it was catching bricks and pointing up (not excessive masturbation as I suspected). Get it looked at, rest it and swap hands at night! Better still i'll get the mrs to do it,can you please explain to her that it,s for medical reasons :lol: :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdSolomons Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 I'll write you a note. With my left hand! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dustem Dave Posted January 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2012 I'll write you a note. With my left hand! Thanks guys,booked into see a chiropractor next week,described symptons over phone and he said same as you,sounds like a trapped nerve,it also helps that he's a shooting man himself,i was honestly thinking of giving up shooting and could never understand why none of my mates suffer with it and they shoot a lot more shells than i do. i'll keep you posted :good: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallachie Posted February 25, 2012 Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 Recoil can cause all sorts of problems to different people, just lately I began to suffer cuts to the second joint of the trigger finger. It was being caused by the BACK recoil of my 682e/PFS stock. I solved it by a combination of stiffening the stock mechanism, wrapping a little duct tape round the trigger to soften the sharp edge and re-learning to use the pad of the first joint for pulling the trigger. I have this problem and was wondering how it happened - however the cut is on the inside of my finger just below the joint. Any ideas how to prevent this? I shot 250 cartridges today and it made quite a mess of it, it's not really painful just uncomfortable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted February 25, 2012 Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 I have this problem and was wondering how it happened - however the cut is on the inside of my finger just below the joint. Any ideas how to prevent this? I shot 250 cartridges today and it made quite a mess of it, it's not really painful just uncomfortable. It's likely to be a combination of things, usually kind of creeps into your game and then you have to pin down the source. The best thing you can do is learn to pull the trigger with the pad of the first joint and have the gun recoil straight back and away from your finger, the trigger itself may benefit from a a bit of filing or wrapping up as I did, some guns come with a choice of trigger blades with the wider angled ones often proving to be more comfortable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallachie Posted February 25, 2012 Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 (edited) It's likely to be a combination of things, usually kind of creeps into your game and then you have to pin down the source. The best thing you can do is learn to pull the trigger with the pad of the first joint and have the gun recoil straight back and away from your finger, the trigger itself may benefit from a a bit of filing or wrapping up as I did, some guns come with a choice of trigger blades with the wider angled ones often proving to be more comfortable. Thanks, Hamster. I was using 3 different guns today, none of which were my own. I'm currently waiting for my FAC to come through before I can pick up my own gun, I'll see if I have the same problem with it, and if I do I'll see if I can change the trigger. I'll bear in mind your suggestion regarding using the pad of my first joint - hopefully that will help! Edited February 25, 2012 by Wallachie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted February 25, 2012 Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 I have this problem and was wondering how it happened - however the cut is on the inside of my finger just below the joint. Any ideas how to prevent this? I shot 250 cartridges today and it made quite a mess of it, it's not really painful just uncomfortable. From what you describe i would say the stocks are too short for you, a rough guide is to place the gun in the crook of your arm and the finger pad should sit nicely on the trigger, if you can wrap your finger round it then its too short. Of course someone will be along in a mo to say im wrong, but im not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallachie Posted February 25, 2012 Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 From what you describe i would say the stocks are too short for you, a rough guide is to place the gun in the crook of your arm and the finger pad should sit nicely on the trigger, if you can wrap your finger round it then its too short. Of course someone will be along in a mo to say im wrong, but im not Hi Shaun, Not sure about that to be honest, all 3 guns I thought were actually a little long for me. I tried them out in the crook of my arm and I definitely think 2 of them were actually too long. The one pictured here I felt fitted me quite well? My mate was there and he took a few action snaps - here's one I have cropped to show how I was holding it, does this look too short? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted February 25, 2012 Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 hard to say from that picture, maybe a trip to a good coach and ask him about fit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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