richie223 Posted February 4, 2012 Report Share Posted February 4, 2012 anyone used this ammo,its a 20 grain v-max round with a trajectory comparable to a 55 grain .223 but with the recoil of a .22wmr i seen this in the sporting rifle magazine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted February 4, 2012 Report Share Posted February 4, 2012 anyone used this ammo,its a 20 grain v-max round with a trajectory comparable to a 55 grain .223 but with the recoil of a .22wmr i seen this in the sporting rifle magazine. And the relivence of that statement is? it's not as if a 55grn bullet from the .223 creates any recoil issues is it now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richie223 Posted February 4, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2012 simple question really!has anyone used this round,is it any good? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted February 4, 2012 Report Share Posted February 4, 2012 (edited) simple question really!has anyone used this round,is it any good? I have no idea, there has been some talk about this calibre, but I think it is so new you will struggle to get any worthwhile feedback at the moment. The .17HMR was spawned from the .22WMR and is useful, the .17Mk2 is a joke, the .22 Hornet is very worthwhile and much underrated, what this .17 Hornet variant will do is yet to be established! Edited February 4, 2012 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted February 4, 2012 Report Share Posted February 4, 2012 the wildcat .17 Ackerly Hornet has been around for some time, Hornady have effectively brought it into production with this 'new' .17Hornet, so do some research on the very excellent .17AH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted February 4, 2012 Report Share Posted February 4, 2012 I have no idea, there has been some talk about this calibre, but I think it is so new you will struggle to get any worthwhile feedback at the moment. The .17HMR was spawned from the .22WMR and is useful, the .17Mk2 is a joke, the .22 Hornet is very worthwhile and much underrated, what this .17 Hornet variant will do is yet to be established! Actualy the mach2 has a following from a few who appriciate what it is meant to be, if only it had a big enough following it might have made a cheaper to feed small rf more suited to the needs of many uk shooters with the capability to fit into LR actions. The 17 ack Hornet is quite well established as a wildcat, it was only a matter of time before a manufacturer picked it up. Funny how tables have turned and its now ammo manufacturers not rifle manufacturers who lead the way in turning stuff factory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casts_by_fly Posted February 4, 2012 Report Share Posted February 4, 2012 richie, If you go about 10 threads down there is a nice long thread discussing the 17 hornet. No one in this country has used a 17 hornady hornet yet unless they've been to the US and tried a first production model (if any rifles are chambered for it yet). However, the 17 ackley hornet has been around a long time and is well know. I just loaded a hundred rounds tonight in fact. The .17HMR was spawned from the .22WMR and is useful, the .17Mk2 is a joke, the .22 Hornet is very worthwhile and much underrated, what this .17 Hornet variant will do is yet to be established! As I said above, the 17 hornet is already well established in the ackley form. The hornady version is a near duplicate. It's a great round for 200 yards and small bodied game like rabbits, hares, birds on the ground, etc. In the US they are used for ground mammals from a prairie dog up to fox. Guys have used them for coyote, though it is suboptimal since the AH is best with 20 gr bullets and they aren't quite enough to truly anchor a coyote. In this country, they are great for what everyone wants a HMR to be- a sub 200 yard gun for most anything you find on the ground plus the occasional fox that comes through. For what a lot of guys here shoot, it is about ideal if you reload. Thanks Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pointer Posted February 4, 2012 Report Share Posted February 4, 2012 I'm not even sure if the 17 Hornet has hit UK shores yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casts_by_fly Posted February 4, 2012 Report Share Posted February 4, 2012 pointer, it hasn't. rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted February 4, 2012 Report Share Posted February 4, 2012 Actualy the mach2 has a following from a few who appriciate what it is meant to be, if only it had a big enough following it might have made a cheaper to feed small rf more suited to the needs of many uk shooters with the capability to fit into LR actions. The 17 ack Hornet is quite well established as a wildcat, it was only a matter of time before a manufacturer picked it up. Funny how tables have turned and its now ammo manufacturers not rifle manufacturers who lead the way in turning stuff factory The 17Mach2 doesn't have a following of any note because it doesn't have a use of any note. If it had a use it would have a following! Every calibre has a use, however vague, the Mach2 use is certainly very vague! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted February 5, 2012 Report Share Posted February 5, 2012 I wasn't sure how to read the "they are great for what everyone wants a HMR to be" comment? I certainly wouldn't class them in the same league as a HMR, but then I don't think that's what you're saying right? Perhaps they do a good job of what people try to make their HMR's do?..... I haven't tried the HH but have tried the AH. I found the AH hard work to load and added to that I had a pretty nice gun I sold it on as I didn't want to mess it up by working it too hard. Now this HH round is out with factory brass etc I'm seriously thinking of having my .22 Hornet rebarrelled in it. The fact that I don't have to fire form (with not the best success rate) really makes it attractive to me. You certainly can't fault the little .17 centrefires for vermin in the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casts_by_fly Posted February 5, 2012 Report Share Posted February 5, 2012 I wasn't sure how to read the "they are great for what everyone wants a HMR to be" comment? I certainly wouldn't class them in the same league as a HMR, but then I don't think that's what you're saying right? Perhaps they do a good job of what people try to make their HMR's do?..... I haven't tried the HH but have tried the AH. I found the AH hard work to load and added to that I had a pretty nice gun I sold it on as I didn't want to mess it up by working it too hard. Now this HH round is out with factory brass etc I'm seriously thinking of having my .22 Hornet rebarrelled in it. The fact that I don't have to fire form (with not the best success rate) really makes it attractive to me. You certainly can't fault the little .17 centrefires for vermin in the UK. no, obviously not the same class. I meant basically what you said. People push their HMR's to be something they're not. Any cartridge has 4 basic 'ranges'- (1) more than enough to what you want at this distance, (2) can do what you're looking for at this distance pretty well with few considerations, (3) can do what you're trying to do at this distance, but only under the right circumstances, and (4) not really going to do it but you might get lucky if everything goes right. A 17 AH gives you at least one group difference over a HMR for the same conditions, shooter, and game. When people are in the 'maybe' group 3 range, the AH would be a 'gimme' group 2. Thanks Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted February 5, 2012 Report Share Posted February 5, 2012 The 17Mach2 doesn't have a following of any note because it doesn't have a use of any note. If it had a use it would have a following! Every calibre has a use, however vague, the Mach2 use is certainly very vague! Cant agree, if sold in equal quantity to the HMR the ammo would be cheaper (not in LR price range due to the jacketed bullet but cheaper non the less) I dont see the HMR forfilled its 200yds billing due to windages and unpredictable performance on quarry. The mach2 however gives flatter performace to the .22 lr up to reasonable ranges (to which windages are way easier to estimate in the field) Just think how many .22 Lr's might have been re-barreled or even converted to switch barrels (like the finfire conversion Venom did) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted February 5, 2012 Report Share Posted February 5, 2012 Cant agree, if sold in equal quantity to the HMR the ammo would be cheaper (not in LR price range due to the jacketed bullet but cheaper non the less) I dont see the HMR forfilled its 200yds billing due to windages and unpredictable performance on quarry. The mach2 however gives flatter performace to the .22 lr up to reasonable ranges (to which windages are way easier to estimate in the field) Just think how many .22 Lr's might have been re-barreled or even converted to switch barrels (like the finfire conversion Venom did) Is the Mach 2 ammo more expensive now then, it was always a chunk cheaper than HMR????? So what if the HMR isn't a 200 yard tool, I've never seen it as that anyway, but it is a lot hotter than the Mach 2, and BOTH are noisy, so if you want a quiet round you get a .22lr, if you want something with more grunt get a HMR, where does the Mach2 fit, it's noisy and expensive (apparently) and not as hot as the HMR, like I say all calibres have a use, but I'm struggling to find the use for this, so are many others it would seem! I have .22lr (2 actually) HMR and WMR, I have no need for a Mach 2! Help me out, I have obviously missed something, what do I need a Mach2 for and what does it do that I can't do with these others? Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casts_by_fly Posted February 6, 2012 Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 here, none. As you said, if you want quiet/cheap/volume then you get a 22 with subs. If you're going to pay for a rimfire 17, then you might as well get the HMR if they are roughly the same price and you get more grunt as your say. In the US, subs and mods aren't common so you're comparing a 22 with high velocity to the HM2. The HM2 is about 2/3 the price of the HMR per box and about 10-15% more expensive than a premium 22 LR HV. So in that market there is a nice niche for the guy who shoots HV 22's anyway and wants more velocity/accuracy for a slight price premium. If I were in the US, I would have bought one by now for squirrel hunting as it would be perfect for that (~70 yd headshots on squirrels). thanks rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b_wales Posted February 6, 2012 Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 I already started a thread on the above caliber, about a week ago. I hope that this caliber will be available in the UK, in the not too distant future. Steve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 Carfull if you select this round. The Hornady website lists trajectories against the 35 v-max which although fast at the muzzle is pretty pants at holding onto the 3000+ it produces at this point and as a result is very loopy against slower starting yet higher BC 45grn offerings of other manufacturers especially when handloaded. I recon the 17 choice might stay with the .17 ack for the re-loader, bearing in mind speeds are for the 20grn bullet and super performace factory ammo (which tends on the seriously fast) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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