Ackley Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 looks like anyone taking part is going to have to have level 1 deer stalking certificate,wonder if theres going to be a min caliber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 OF course DSC 1 is all about shooting nocturnal mammals... I'm unsure of the general cull premise bovine TB is a big issue but why does having DSC1 make you any more suitable Surely it will be far more like culling Fox than Deer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackley Posted February 7, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 OF course DSC 1 is all about shooting nocturnal mammals... I'm unsure of the general cull premise bovine TB is a big issue but why does having DSC1 make you any more suitable Surely it will be far more like culling Fox than Deer? because if you have level 1 your classed as a trained marksman ,even though you havnt even got to or have shot a deer to pass it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huffhuff Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 It was discussed at length here; http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/190175-green-light-for-badger-cull/page__hl__dsc1__st__60 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huntsman Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 Far too many hoops to jump through,the amount of paperwork and hassle ,will make it beyond financial means for most. And at best, more than most wont be interested in it. Most police firearms depts want you to have this DSC 1 for .243 calibre,I don't see what a caliber specific rifle has to do with .243,I know someone who has asked for this on his FAC and the reason he failed to obtain it was, he didnt have a DSC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 Now the synical might say they are asking for DSC1 coz they were advised to! By who? The people who get paid for the qualifications perhaps? Blow me over with a feather has the world gone mad BTW i have level 1 + 2 so i am not speaking in an imbittered way this is the blind leading the blind and getting paid for it IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CZ550Kevlar Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 Kent turned me down for .243 because of not having any deer permission?? they don`t seem to think fox is enough reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
955i Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 Because not having any qualification will mean any ******** can shoot them. I know many on here are desperate to shoot badgers, lets face it foxes are getting boring But ask yourselves, do you really want to shoot badgers because they spread TB (and constantly moving cattle round the country doesn't) or just because you want to shoot something you haven't been allowed to up till now I see a lot of people on here who seem to think they are up against the Viet Cong just cos they are shooting a few pigeons and I have to say it doesn't sit well with me as someone who protects crops and maybe gets a few for the pot. I for one will be objecting to a nationwide cull. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artschool Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 some of us just want a pair of badger slippers. is it really too much to ask? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 Because not having any qualification will mean any ******** can shoot them. I know many on here are desperate to shoot badgers, lets face it foxes are getting boring But ask yourselves, do you really want to shoot badgers because they spread TB (and constantly moving cattle round the country doesn't) or just because you want to shoot something you haven't been allowed to up till now I see a lot of people on here who seem to think they are up against the Viet Cong just cos they are shooting a few pigeons and I have to say it doesn't sit well with me as someone who protects crops and maybe gets a few for the pot. I for one will be objecting to a nationwide cull. As someone who really wonders why people spend hours in fields shooting other peoples foxes I can see your point, but some enjoy that side of shooting and who are we to say it's wrong ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Potter Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 Because not having any qualification will mean any ******** can shoot them. I know many on here are desperate to shoot badgers, lets face it foxes are getting boring But ask yourselves, do you really want to shoot badgers because they spread TB (and constantly moving cattle round the country doesn't) or just because you want to shoot something you haven't been allowed to up till now I see a lot of people on here who seem to think they are up against the Viet Cong just cos they are shooting a few pigeons and I have to say it doesn't sit well with me as someone who protects crops and maybe gets a few for the pot. I for one will be objecting to a nationwide cull. Hear Hear (or Here Here) my sentiments exactly. Always makes me uncomfortable when some appear to want to kill for killings sake. Potter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
955i Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 As someone who really wonders why people spend hours in fields shooting other peoples foxes I can see your point, but some enjoy that side of shooting and who are we to say it's wrong ? Because the whole premise behind the cull is wrong. It is only modern farming methods that have forced badgers to live beside livestock, but to some on here farmers are the salt of the earth (afraid of losing permissions maybe?) whereas I as an ecologist see the green deserts formed by the removal of hedgerows to increase field size and miniscule grass swards due to overgrazing which are far more responsible for the reduction in our nesting bird, invertebrate, reptile and amphibian populations. The Countryside Stewardship is a case in point. As soon as farmers realised that the money had run out they couldn't give a stuff about 5m field margins. They are not the protectors of the countryside that some on here would have us believe, they are out for money as much as any London banker!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewj Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 i heard that the isle of man has tb in cattle but there is no badgers there is this true ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artschool Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 Because the whole premise behind the cull is wrong. It is only modern farming methods that have forced badgers to live beside livestock, but to some on here farmers are the salt of the earth (afraid of losing permissions maybe?) whereas I as an ecologist see the green deserts formed by the removal of hedgerows to increase field size and miniscule grass swards due to overgrazing which are far more responsible for the reduction in our nesting bird, invertebrate, reptile and amphibian populations. The Countryside Stewardship is a case in point. As soon as farmers realised that the money had run out they couldn't give a stuff about 5m field margins. They are not the protectors of the countryside that some on here would have us believe, they are out for money as much as any London banker!! but you are not impartial because you make your living out of protecting these species? would you have us reintroduce the wolf? where does humanity draw the line at what species is good and what it bad? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apache Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 Because the whole premise behind the cull is wrong. It is only modern farming methods that have forced badgers to live beside livestock, but to some on here farmers are the salt of the earth (afraid of losing permissions maybe?) whereas I as an ecologist see the green deserts formed by the removal of hedgerows to increase field size and miniscule grass swards due to overgrazing which are far more responsible for the reduction in our nesting bird, invertebrate, reptile and amphibian populations. The Countryside Stewardship is a case in point. As soon as farmers realised that the money had run out they couldn't give a stuff about 5m field margins. They are not the protectors of the countryside that some on here would have us believe, they are out for money as much as any London banker!! You're talking rubbish. Many farmers struggle to make a living and they have to get out of the land what they can. If wheat is a good price a 5m field margin takes a lot of land out of production and someone has to pay for that? Should Tesco not use the first and last isle for selling product? The petrol station not sell fuel from pumps 1 and 12? The countryside looks like it does because it has been managed by farmers. The amount of conservation they do at their own expense is crazy, maintaining walls, weed control, clearing ponds, draining fields etc. And why do they do it? Because we want cheap food and margins are squeezed so tight by the supermarkets that they have to get every penny they can. Do I blame the farmers? No. If we paid a fair price for our food it would be very different. The ONLY WAY WE CAN CONTROL BTB IS TO CONTROL THE WILDLIFE VECTOR - IE THE BADGER. There is no mention of culling badgers elsewhere, although I am in favour of population management. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
955i Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 (edited) but you are not impartial because you make your living out of protecting these species? would you have us reintroduce the wolf? where does humanity draw the line at what species is good and what it bad? No I am not impartial, in my two years of trading I have only been asked to do a (negative) badger survey on one occasion, so not making a mint from it to be honest. I am a bat, reptile, amphibian and habitat specialist and generally pass badger work onto others if a positive result is found as they are more experienced in this field. The line is not drawn at what species are good and bad, the wolf existed here until humanity decided it was bad, then it was exterminated, the beaver existed here until it was hunted to extinction. Where do you want to take this to? The hare as the second fastest declining mammal in the country after the water vole maybe??? Edited February 7, 2012 by 955i Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 There is plenty of room for badgers away from livestock. I had a huge sett on my land, and no cattle or sheep for miles around. If the cull is managed properly I have no objections. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordieh Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 Because the whole premise behind the cull is wrong. It is only modern farming methods that have forced badgers to live beside livestock, but to some on here farmers are the salt of the earth (afraid of losing permissions maybe?) whereas I as an ecologist see the green deserts formed by the removal of hedgerows to increase field size and miniscule grass swards due to overgrazing which are far more responsible for the reduction in our nesting bird, invertebrate, reptile and amphibian populations. The Countryside Stewardship is a case in point. As soon as farmers realised that the money had run out they couldn't give a stuff about 5m field margins. They are not the protectors of the countryside that some on here would have us believe, they are out for money as much as any London banker!! So as an ecologist when cattle lived in small fields and all the ploughing was done by horses or oxen please tell me why badgers stayed away from cattle.And what about the fact that we have too many badgers and the fact that they destroy the eggs of many ground nesting birds,they kill hedgehogs too.We should just put them on the general list for six months every so often which would control numbers, end of problem Geordie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artschool Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 (edited) No I am not impartial, in my two years of trading I have only been asked to do a (negative) badger survey on one occasion, so not making a mint from it to be honest. I am a bat, reptile, amphibian and habitat specialist and generally pass badger work onto others if a positive result is found as they are more experienced in this field. The line is not drawn at what species are good and bad, the wolf existed here until humanity decided it was bad, then it was exterminated, the beaver existed here until it was hunted to extinction. Where do you want to take this to? The hare as the second fastest declining mammal in the country after the water vole maybe??? This is an asymmetrical discussion because your subject knowledge will greatly outstrip mine. I just think that there is very little truly natural habitat left on this island, so no matter what we do it will be man made and artificial. ps. I would like to see the reintroduction of wolves. Edited February 7, 2012 by artschool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
955i Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 There is plenty of room for badgers away from livestock. I had a huge sett on my land, and no cattle or sheep for miles around. If the cull is managed properly I have no objections. But in all seriousness, culpability must be airtight before it is considered, or was another species responsible for the spread of foot and mouth, bluetongue etc Farmers look for scapegoats and are not the benign Selwyn Frogatt characters with trousers held up with baling twine that may would have you believe. Don't believe the hype people!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apache Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 But in all seriousness, culpability must be airtight before it is considered, or was another species responsible for the spread of foot and mouth, bluetongue etc Farmers look for scapegoats and are not the benign Selwyn Frogatt characters with trousers held up with baling twine that may would have you believe. Don't believe the hype people!! You saying badgers don't carry and spread TB? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
955i Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 would you have us reintroduce the wolf? Yes where appropriate, the only drawback being that stalkers would have to compete for their skills in Scotland. As a point, the new 'dog' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
955i Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 You saying badgers don't carry and spread TB? No, but I am questioning where it came from in the first place and how it is more likely to be spread around the country. Holidaying badgers or transported cattle, make your own choice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JR1960 Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 Isn't this another case of politicians 'knowing' better than science? I was under the impression the weight of scientific opinion suggests that a badger cull will have no effect on bovine TB whatsoever. Doesn't seem to have worked in Ireland does it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
955i Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 Isn't this another case of politicians 'knowing' better than science? I was under the impression the weight of scientific opinion suggests that a badger cull will have no effect on bovine TB whatsoever. Doesn't seem to have worked in Ireland does it? No, but never upset the farmers, they are what keeps the country running Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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