PotHunter96 Posted February 11, 2012 Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 hi all i was just wondering what is the law regarding 14 year olds and owning and borrowing rifles i have no experience with rifles and would not be granted one in a million years so for fox control it will have to be shotgun but i was just wondering could a a 14 year old own a fiream certificate and rifle or borrow one under the supervsion of an over 18 year old thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackley Posted February 11, 2012 Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 hi all i was just wondering what is the law regarding 14 year olds and owning and borrowing rifles i have no experience with rifles and would not be granted one in a million years so for fox control it will have to be shotgun but i was just wondering could a a 14 year old own a fiream certificate and rifle or borrow one under the supervsion of an over 18 year old thanks you are not allowed to lens or borrow anyone a firearm,I think you have to be 17 to have an FAC,if you know someone with an FAC they may allow your son to have a shot with there rifle under there close supervision but not advicable at anyhting live,not untill he can hit targets first,so a day on the range would be most helpfull to him sorry to ask but why cant you get an FAC or wouldnt you like to say,but I know of people with very bad history who has been granted a ticket,unless you have been done for armsed robbery or other firearm offensive you may be surprized Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockercas Posted February 11, 2012 Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 iirc your not allowed to even shoot a rifle until your 17th birthday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deershooter Posted February 11, 2012 Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 (edited) cockercas sorry not correct It is an offence for a person under the age of seventeen to purchase or hire any firearm or ammunition. [F1 (1A) Where a person under the age of eighteen is entitled, as the holder of a certificate under this Act, to have a firearm in his possession, it is an offence for that person to use that firearm for a purpose not authorised by the European weapons directive.] It is an offence for a person under the age of fourteen to have in his possession any firearm or ammunition to which section 1 of this Act [F2 or section 15 of the Firearms (Amendment) Act 1988] applies, except in circumstances where under section 11 (1), (3) or (4) of this Act he is entitled to have possession of it without holding a firearm certificate. It is an offence for a person under the age of fifteen to have with him an assembled shot gun except while under the supervision of a person of or over the age of twenty-one, or while the shot gun is so covered with a securely fastened gun cover that it cannot be fired. Subject to section 23, it is an offence for a person under the age of [F3 seventeen] to have with him an air weapon or ammunition for an air weapon. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Deershooter Edited February 11, 2012 by deershooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PotHunter96 Posted February 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 terribly sorry i seem to have caused some confusion i am the 14 year old and i have being shooting air rifles for 5 years and shotguns for 4 and i do vermin control and rough shooting on my uncles farm and i have read lots of books and websites and i saw an article in shooting times of a 15 year old underkeeper shooting hares on the shoot with a 6mm pcp rifle under the supervision of bruce potts and i was led to believe that a 14 year old could be gifted a firearm if he had good reason to use it and its very confusing i read i think it was on shooting uk website that a 14 year old if he owned a fiream certificate could borow someone elses rifle and im just really confused :blink: :blink: the reason i dont think i would be granted a firearm (for the record if i was i would choose a .17 hmr for fox and other vermin control) is because i have absolutely no experience with firearms and even if i was granted one would probably be required to have another experienced fac holder to accompany me which would not be an option thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bedwards1966 Posted February 11, 2012 Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 Not having experience of firearms isn't usually an issue, many of us start by applying for a FAC and getting someone to teach us about safe shooting, we get granted certificates after doing that. I'm not sure if there is a minimum age for FAC, though finding 2 referees is probably the hardest part for young applicants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockercas Posted February 11, 2012 Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 cockercas sorry not correct It is an offence for a person under the age of seventeen to purchase or hire any firearm or ammunition. [F1 (1A) Where a person under the age of eighteen is entitled, as the holder of a certificate under this Act, to have a firearm in his possession, it is an offence for that person to use that firearm for a purpose not authorised by the European weapons directive.] It is an offence for a person under the age of fourteen to have in his possession any firearm or ammunition to which section 1 of this Act [F2 or section 15 of the Firearms (Amendment) Act 1988] applies, except in circumstances where under section 11 (1), (3) or (4) of this Act he is entitled to have possession of it without holding a firearm certificate. It is an offence for a person under the age of fifteen to have with him an assembled shot gun except while under the supervision of a person of or over the age of twenty-one, or while the shot gun is so covered with a securely fastened gun cover that it cannot be fired. Subject to section 23, it is an offence for a person under the age of [F3 seventeen] to have with him an air weapon or ammunition for an air weapon. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Deershooter umm i thort the nice lady on the end of the phone was talking bs. it was when i was arguing with Humberside police over my .243. they was on about experience i told them id been shooting it since i was 14. well thats illegal you have to be 17 to shoot it. oh sorry slip of the tongue i ment 17 love Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted February 11, 2012 Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 cockercas sorry not correct It is an offence for a person under the age of seventeen to purchase or hire any firearm or ammunition. [F1 (1A) Where a person under the age of eighteen is entitled, as the holder of a certificate under this Act, to have a firearm in his possession, it is an offence for that person to use that firearm for a purpose not authorised by the European weapons directive.] It is an offence for a person under the age of fourteen to have in his possession any firearm or ammunition to which section 1 of this Act [F2 or section 15 of the Firearms (Amendment) Act 1988] applies, except in circumstances where under section 11 (1), (3) or (4) of this Act he is entitled to have possession of it without holding a firearm certificate. It is an offence for a person under the age of fifteen to have with him an assembled shot gun except while under the supervision of a person of or over the age of twenty-one, or while the shot gun is so covered with a securely fastened gun cover that it cannot be fired. Subject to section 23, it is an offence for a person under the age of [F3 seventeen] to have with him an air weapon or ammunition for an air weapon. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Deershooter The sections you speak of are a under 17 year old using a firearm only on a Home Office approved range, no where else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deershooter Posted February 11, 2012 Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 over 14 can have firearms licenses this is taken off Yorkshire police website Supervision means under the immediate supervision of a person aged 21 or over. Certificate holders under the age of 18 may only use a firearm or shotgun for any or all of the following: As a slaughtering instrument. For a sporting purpose. For shooting vermin, or in conjunction with the management of an estate, other wildlife. Target shooting, including competition. Deershooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PotHunter96 Posted February 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 over 14 can have firearms licenses this is taken off Yorkshire police website Supervision means under the immediate supervision of a person aged 21 or over. Certificate holders under the age of 18 may only use a firearm or shotgun for any or all of the following: As a slaughtering instrument. For a sporting purpose. For shooting vermin, or in conjunction with the management of an estate, other wildlife. Target shooting, including competition. Deershooter so does this mean if i so wished i could aplly for FAC and be gifted a rifle as with a shotgun or i could apply for a certificate and use someone elses rifle under there supervision Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PotHunter96 Posted February 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 also sorry for my naievity (also sorry for spelling that wrong ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deershooter Posted February 11, 2012 Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 look here http://police.homeoffice.gov.uk/oper...sing-guidance/ Deershooter :good: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diceman Posted February 11, 2012 Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 Certificate holders under the age of 18 may only use a firearm or shotgun for any or all of the following: As a slaughtering instrument. For a sporting purpose. For shooting vermin, or in conjunction with the management of an estate, other wildlife. Target shooting, including competition. Seems a fairly comprehensive list? What other uses are there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarmerSim Posted February 12, 2012 Report Share Posted February 12, 2012 Seems a fairly comprehensive list? What other uses are there? None that exclude him shooting vermin on his uncles farm! (?), I guess you would have to say that the rough shooting would come under estate management... Might be an idea to ring the FLD. being in the same area as you, I can PM you the number if you haven't got it, ( 'tis on their website )... I have found them very good at answering all my questions, even the "daft" ones Best of luck ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted February 12, 2012 Report Share Posted February 12, 2012 BASC have a whole section of the website dedicated to young shooters I suggest you read it! And join..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PotHunter96 Posted February 12, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2012 None that exclude him shooting vermin on his uncles farm! (?), I guess you would have to say that the rough shooting would come under estate management... Might be an idea to ring the FLD. being in the same area as you, I can PM you the number if you haven't got it, ( 'tis on their website )... I have found them very good at answering all my questions, even the "daft" ones Best of luck ... thank you very much could you pm me the number please im not thinking of getting one yet if it is possible but maybe a year or two thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reggiegun Posted February 12, 2012 Report Share Posted February 12, 2012 Hi, My son is 16, he has an FAC, he cannot buy any rifles, any ammo,even with me present, he has wrote on the first line of licence that until he is 18 he cannot purchase rifles or ammo. I can gift him a rifle of my certificate, but he is not allowed use it without me present obviously. Problem I have is, he has slots for 17 HMR and 22LR, I have no spare slots for the above, so for him to have his own rifle I have to pay for two variations, silly I think. Reggiegun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted February 12, 2012 Report Share Posted February 12, 2012 terribly sorry i seem to have caused some confusion i am the 14 year old and i have being shooting air rifles for 5 years and shotguns for 4 and i do vermin control and rough shooting on my uncles farm and i have read lots of books and websites and i saw an article in shooting times of a 15 year old underkeeper shooting hares on the shoot with a 6mm pcp rifle under the supervision of bruce potts and i was led to believe that a 14 year old could be gifted a firearm if he had good reason to use it and its very confusing i read i think it was on shooting uk website that a 14 year old if he owned a fiream certificate could borow someone elses rifle and im just really confused :blink: :blink: the reason i dont think i would be granted a firearm (for the record if i was i would choose a .17 hmr for fox and other vermin control) is because i have absolutely no experience with firearms and even if i was granted one would probably be required to have another experienced fac holder to accompany me which would not be an option thank you The last thing I would want to do is dampen your enthusiasm, but you may wish to review the option of being accompanied by either someone of an age or experience. Lacking one means that you could forget about shooting FAC rifles for a few years yet and the other, the way things are going, and in many constabulary areas, have already arrived, you can also forget about shooting centrefire owing to the 'mentor' situation/requirement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackley Posted February 12, 2012 Report Share Posted February 12, 2012 Pothunter I like your enthusiasm,so if you have the land I will offer a couple of my rifles for you to have a go with,under my supervision of course PM me if your interested Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PotHunter96 Posted February 12, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2012 The last thing I would want to do is dampen your enthusiasm, but you may wish to review the option of being accompanied by either someone of an age or experience. Lacking one means that you could forget about shooting FAC rifles for a few years yet and the other, the way things are going, and in many constabulary areas, have already arrived, you can also forget about shooting centrefire owing to the 'mentor' situation/requirement. thank you for the advice i would easily be able to get supervision(obviously i am supervised when using a shotgun) just not from someone with an FAC.i think i may wait untill i am 18 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted February 12, 2012 Report Share Posted February 12, 2012 Pothunter I like your enthusiasm,so if you have the land I will offer a couple of my rifles for you to have a go with,under my supervision of course PM me if your interested Well done Ackley, thats a very kind offer to the young chap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackley Posted February 12, 2012 Report Share Posted February 12, 2012 Well done Ackley, thats a very kind offer to the young chap. well we have all been young once but was unable to do things we wanted,if it helps the lad and fires up his interest its worth the effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted February 12, 2012 Report Share Posted February 12, 2012 Pothunter I like your enthusiasm,so if you have the land I will offer a couple of my rifles for you to have a go with,under my supervision of course PM me if your interested Well said! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albifrons flavirostris Posted February 14, 2012 Report Share Posted February 14, 2012 My son at the age of 16 was granted a firearms certificate. The conditions on his certificate showed my named rifles. In addition they were conditioned with vermin control, fox and deer. The main condition was that he had full use of these rifles under my supervision but no access to the rifle cabinet. Once he reached 17 he applied for my named rifles to be removed and to leave the calibers to be acquired under his own name without the condition of supervision. This was granted and he purchased his own gun cabinet and one of the named calibered rifles, the others remain on his certificate to be purchased. The advise I would give, speak with your FLO first as it will save a whole load of heartache later on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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