bighit1985 Posted March 11, 2012 Report Share Posted March 11, 2012 Hi, I've just the other half into shooting clays, Shes been twice and only shot 50 clays each time with a 12g, both with the clay ground's Miroku. But she has problems with moving the gun after a while because of the weight of it. She doesn't have a problem with the recoil its purely her arm holding the front of the gun up. Is this a common problem? What options are there for her?? are there any lightweight 12G people know of?? or is it a case of just keep practising with it?? Or worth trying her on 20g or 28g??? many thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted March 11, 2012 Report Share Posted March 11, 2012 Beretta do a ultralight , winchester also do a lightweight gun in the select range I think no doubt there are others. trouble is most lightweights will be game rather than clay guns . If she is ok with recoil I would recommend a 20 guage though they can still shoot 28 gram if required but better with 24 / 21 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bedwards1966 Posted March 11, 2012 Report Share Posted March 11, 2012 One small thing to be aware of is that a lighter gun will create more recoil, so you may find that you'll solve one problem but create another. Mind you, 21g loads may solve that problem if it arises. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
storme37 Posted March 11, 2012 Report Share Posted March 11, 2012 the baikal single barrel 12g is 1/2 the weight of an air riffle but apparently kicks like a mule but some ammo's may solve that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted March 11, 2012 Report Share Posted March 11, 2012 (edited) Hi, I've just the other half into shooting clays, Shes been twice and only shot 50 clays each time with a 12g, both with the clay ground's Miroku. But she has problems with moving the gun after a while because of the weight of it. She doesn't have a problem with the recoil its purely her arm holding the front of the gun up. Is this a common problem? What options are there for her?? are there any lightweight 12G people know of?? or is it a case of just keep practising with it?? Or worth trying her on 20g or 28g??? many thanks! Best thing is for her to build the muscles to swing a proper gun, lighter gun = more recoil. There are plenty of light weight guns, what ever you get make sure it fits her most women need a higher comb and shorter stock. A semi can be the best compromise of light weight and recoil (but fit is the key!) a heavier gun can help technique by cutting out unnecessary movement watch the top shooters they hardly move at all..... Edited March 11, 2012 by HDAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighit1985 Posted March 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2012 One small thing to be aware of is that a lighter gun will create more recoil, so you may find that you'll solve one problem but create another. Mind you, 21g loads may solve that problem if it arises. this was what I was thinking of getting her lighter gun and then using lighter load. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RED BEARD Posted March 11, 2012 Report Share Posted March 11, 2012 i've got a barasingha o/u and it seems a very light gun to me,i think its based on a browning (but i don't know which one,sorry).why don't you see how she gets on with a nice short sbs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighit1985 Posted March 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2012 Best thing is for her to build the muscles to swing a proper gun, lighter gun = more recoil. There are plenty of light weight guns, what ever you get make sure it fits her most women need a higher comb and shorter stock. Yeah of course will get the gun fitted once she has been doing a bit longer, but im trying to look for a short term solution to help build her confidence and also build the muscles in her arm to then go to a typical gun for her. She get through maybe 20 then she starts to feel tired in her arm to hold it up, so shes then not using correct technique and loses interest. So to stop her losing interest in the sport Im trying to find a solution for her to keep going and learn and build her confidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighit1985 Posted March 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2012 Baikals are they lightweight then if they kick like a mule most of the time??? Im also not looking to spend huge £££s for her if she then in 6 months loses interest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighit1985 Posted March 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2012 Best thing is for her to build the muscles to swing a proper gun, lighter gun = more recoil. There are plenty of light weight guns, what ever you get make sure it fits her most women need a higher comb and shorter stock. A semi can be the best compromise of light weight and recoil (but fit is the key!) a heavier gun can help technique by cutting out unnecessary movement watch the top shooters they hardly move at all..... Ive got a semi-auto that I am going to take her out with tomorrow to she if that helps at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted March 11, 2012 Report Share Posted March 11, 2012 (edited) Easy way (and cheapest) is get her to do 10 gun mounts infront of a mirror at slowest possible speed every evening for 2 weeks then go back (I had to do this when changing shoulders) using your gun is fine. Miroku are generally higher in the comb and straighter in the stock. Edited March 11, 2012 by HDAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighit1985 Posted March 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2012 Easy way (and cheapest) is get her to do 10 gun mounts infront of a mirror at slowest possible speed every evening for 2 weeks then go back (I had to do this when changing shoulders) using your gun is fine. Miroku are generally higher in the comb and straighter in the stock. Didnt think of that, might suggest that if the semi doesnt help tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted March 11, 2012 Report Share Posted March 11, 2012 Didnt think of that, might suggest that if the semi doesnt help tomorrow. Better to get her to practise with the semi first as it may be very different to Miroku. What semi is it? Make sure it fits well before she pulls the trigger...... Has she been having lessons? Dont want to dampen your enthusiasm but it back fired on me with the missus one slap in the chops from a gun that didnt fit and she didnt want to know for 6 months plus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TbirdX Posted March 11, 2012 Report Share Posted March 11, 2012 My Mrs fired a single barrel .410, then decided she wanted to do a round with the rest of us but weight was the overiding factor for her really. She tried a full size O/U and didn't like the kick but could manage it, there was no way she could loft a standard gun about with any degree of real control though. We went to the shooting show and tried a few out and in the end plumped for a 20g hatsan youth. Short in stock, light in weight, reduced kick from being a semi, she's happy and my wallet is lighter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted March 11, 2012 Report Share Posted March 11, 2012 Darryl, I have a very light SBS and some 21g 7.5s that I bought for my Mrs, you're welcome to borrow it for a day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
storme37 Posted March 12, 2012 Report Share Posted March 12, 2012 Baikals are they lightweight then if they kick like a mule most of the time??? Im also not looking to spend huge £££s for her if she then in 6 months loses interest. i paid 55 quid for mine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighit1985 Posted March 12, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2012 i paid 55 quid for mine that single barrelled though?? im looking for o/u or semi for her really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted March 12, 2012 Report Share Posted March 12, 2012 Lorraine has a 20g Medallist. They're nice and light and pointable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannyboy220 Posted March 12, 2012 Report Share Posted March 12, 2012 Baikal o/u can be picked up for less than £100 easily and I have shot a couple now they can kick but I find 7.5 28g clay loads are fine through them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted March 13, 2012 Report Share Posted March 13, 2012 A self loading 20 bore with load to match is a good place to start. See Gun Trader and you'll note that there are plenty available. Don't think of getting rid of it if you do go that way though; at least not until you've had a go with it in the pigeon hide - then you may just decide that you want it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben0850 Posted March 13, 2012 Report Share Posted March 13, 2012 My Mrs had the same issue on Pheasant days, by the third drive her arm was aching too much. We ended up getting her a Bettinsoli 20g over and under from Gilsans at Leyburn and she's over the moon with it. T was the physical weight of the gun causing my Mrs issues though not the kick off the carts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighit1985 Posted March 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2012 My Mrs had the same issue on Pheasant days, by the third drive her arm was aching too much. We ended up getting her a Bettinsoli 20g over and under from Gilsans at Leyburn and she's over the moon with it. T was the physical weight of the gun causing my Mrs issues though not the kick off the carts. yeah thats the same problem, we tried a semi yesterday and it was a bit better but still not able to do it for long so will try her with the club 20g and see how that helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted March 13, 2012 Report Share Posted March 13, 2012 buy a short 20gauge, and shoot light / slow 21g loads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted March 13, 2012 Report Share Posted March 13, 2012 buy a short 20gauge, and shoot light / slow 21g loads. Why a 20? you can get 12's that weigh as little as a 20 (Beretta ultralight Franchi fast Pro and Franchi falconette as examples) and shoot 21g or subsonic loads...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 Why a 20? you can get 12's that weigh as little as a 20 (Beretta ultralight Franchi fast Pro and Franchi falconette as examples) and shoot 21g or subsonic loads...... you cant really get 21gram subsonics. they are a pain to shoot, most fast powders can handle 32g subs. having downloaded normal loads is bad. the 20gauge, however can be safely loaded with 21g subsonics. i even think there is a few cheap recipes about. but the key to low recoil, is the cartridge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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