Mungler Posted July 18, 2006 Report Share Posted July 18, 2006 I thought that the physics of smooth bore shooting were quite straightforward - cartridge into barrel and bang. Obviously there are some twists to this in the form of chokes, how long the barrels are, whether the barrels are fluted and so on, but how a gun actually fired and patterned would be determined from what went on from the triggers forward. What really is the difference between a £1k beretta and an £8k+ Perazzi / Krieghoff? It appears that many of the differences would lie "behind" the triggers in the form of scroll work (sorry I have never been a fan and just really can't see the point) and whether the gun is hand made (sorry but being practical I would take corporate based research, design, tooling, manufacture and reliability over handmade). Assuming a perfect fit for the gun, what is the best clay gun: 1. if you won between £5k and £10k on a scratch card and didn't have to tell the missus 2. being sensible - you won on the scratchy but the missus was with you at the time - she has made you cough for the dream holiday with the family and in-laws, and the £1k odd left over is for you to spend on a gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted July 18, 2006 Report Share Posted July 18, 2006 If I had a grand to spend then it would be on a Winchester select the same as I shoot with now and enough left over to have several rounds of clays. If there was 3 grand left over then it would be a Blaser F3. I had a go with one at a recent corporate day that I was invited on and they are great. They balance and handle so well. HMMMM one day Cheers Martin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul in North Lincs. Posted July 18, 2006 Report Share Posted July 18, 2006 There are that many quality trap guns on the market its difficult to say.....From personal opinion I really rate the Browning Medalist & Beretta Silver / Gold pigeon range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazza Posted July 18, 2006 Report Share Posted July 18, 2006 I'd go for some sort of a Beretta, maybe a DT10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted July 18, 2006 Report Share Posted July 18, 2006 1. Beretta SO, with fine engraving 2. Beretta 687, or whatever they call them these days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mag-man Posted July 18, 2006 Report Share Posted July 18, 2006 What do you want.......a trap gun or a sporting gun. If you want a trap gun, get the MX200 or MX8, perazzi make trap guns, end of story. If you want a sporting gun get the Beretta DT 10 trident. If you want a gun for looks then upgrade the two, the Perazzi goes upto the SCO gold sideplate, and the beretta to the SO6. If you want, maybe get the DT 10 as a sporter, then get an adjustable stock for it, as the premium guns come with removable stocks. But remember it's the person behind the gun that makes it worth what is, otherwise it's a waste of money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazza Posted July 18, 2006 Report Share Posted July 18, 2006 But remember it's the person behind the gun that makes it worth what is, otherwise it's a waste of money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted July 18, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2006 It would be purely for clays (english sporting). I am off to the newsagents to get a pile of scratchies - it would be the 32" blaser F3 - none of that fancy engraving for me. I heard the blaser barrels all weigh the same and are interchangable - so in theory it could do almost anything you want with the swap of the barrel. Sounds like a thoughtful piece of engineering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shotgun-Sean Posted July 18, 2006 Report Share Posted July 18, 2006 You can have the most expensive gun and the best ammo but it doesnt take either of these to be a good shot, it takes a good shot to be a good shot. Its not the gun its the man behind it cheers sean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manchap Posted July 18, 2006 Report Share Posted July 18, 2006 I thought that the physics of smooth bore shooting were quite straightforward - cartridge into barrel and bang. Obviously there are some twists to this in the form of chokes, how long the barrels are, whether the barrels are fluted and so on, but how a gun actually fired and patterned would be determined from what went on from the triggers forward. What really is the difference between a �1k beretta and an �8k+ Perazzi / Krieghoff? It appears that many of the differences would lie "behind" the triggers in the form of scroll work (sorry I have never been a fan and just really can't see the point) and whether the gun is hand made (sorry but being practical I would take corporate based research, design, tooling, manufacture and reliability over handmade). Assuming a perfect fit for the gun, what is the best clay gun: 1. if you won between �5k and �10k on a scratch card and didn't have to tell the missus 2. being sensible - you won on the scratchy but the missus was with you at the time - she has made you cough for the dream holiday with the family and in-laws, and the �1k odd left over is for you to spend on a gun. whats the difference between a 1k beretta and a 8k perazzi id say 7k now go and get your self a mossberg pump and kick *** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest john5 Posted July 18, 2006 Report Share Posted July 18, 2006 I thought that the physics of smooth bore shooting were quite straightforward - cartridge into barrel and bang. Obviously there are some twists to this in the form of chokes, how long the barrels are, whether the barrels are fluted and so on, but how a gun actually fired and patterned would be determined from what went on from the triggers forward. What really is the difference between a �1k beretta and an �8k+ Perazzi / Krieghoff? It appears that many of the differences would lie "behind" the triggers in the form of scroll work (sorry I have never been a fan and just really can't see the point) and whether the gun is hand made (sorry but being practical I would take corporate based research, design, tooling, manufacture and reliability over handmade). Assuming a perfect fit for the gun, what is the best clay gun: 1. if you won between �5k and �10k on a scratch card and didn't have to tell the missus 2. being sensible - you won on the scratchy but the missus was with you at the time - she has made you cough for the dream holiday with the family and in-laws, and the �1k odd left over is for you to spend on a gun. whats the difference between a 1k beretta and a 8k perazzi id say 7k now go and get your self a mossberg pump and kick *** hey good maths manchap,............ do you like mossbergs ?:lol:?? lovely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manchap Posted July 18, 2006 Report Share Posted July 18, 2006 love em to bit`s and i drive a lada Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest john5 Posted July 18, 2006 Report Share Posted July 18, 2006 love em to bit`s and i drive a lada you know the difference between a lada and a tampax ?:lol:??? the tampax has got its own tow rope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunganick Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 It would be purely for clays (english sporting). I am off to the newsagents to get a pile of scratchies - it would be the 32" blaser F3 - none of that fancy engraving for me. I heard the blaser barrels all weigh the same and are interchangable - so in theory it could do almost anything you want with the swap of the barrel. Sounds like a thoughtful piece of engineering. this is true, but the barrels are the same weight yet this weight is now longer, so you have mroe leverage working against your arm. So they will feel heavier. Having been working in Chris potters for the last week ive been able to handle pretty much every gun in the shop, there is a 2nd hand DT10 in there with stunning dark wood and adjustable cheek piece which would do me fine and only £2800. However i cant come to like the perrazi's (sp?) they have no where near enough drop for me (but they wouldnt as they are not sporting guns) However my old mans F3 will be arriving in the next week with the extra drop and long stock option, 29" game barrels, grd 6 wood, adjustable comb and butt pad. I look forward to having a go of it, but hope that he gets lucky with the wood. Blaser have been choosing their stock blanks out of the baikal Bin lately. For a budget gun i would get a gr1 mk60 30" and have it teagued (get rid of those buldges and loose some muzzle weight) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the last engineer Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Nick, those Perrazi boys will make a stock for anyone, including Stevie Wonder most of the target boys/girls here shoot with custom stocks, all have the dimensions recorded for the replacement or repair needed, Perrazi make a number ofd guns in sporting configuration, as far as that DT10 how does the chequering look, have you seen the stock with the suasage logs on it ,looks like a pressed peice of balsa wood beautiful gun with packing case wood. with the longer barrels a lot of shooters actualy smooth out their swing, the extra length takes a little more control but works well on longer targets IMO i shoot 32 's a lot and love them in sporting long crossers and distance birds, this dosent mean you cant shoot skeet or trap with them , its all down to the Indian not the Arrows right Martin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunganick Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 yes, im a convert of the 30", and wont be going any longer for the time being, being quite tall but not so well built and i dont feel comfortable with 32" The DT10's in the shop are lovely, its the 682 gold E with that disgusting chequering what were beretta thinking Beretta's generally dont do it for me, they are not in my experiance, very consistantly produced, and they are always either loose or very tight, never quite right, but this DT10 is something else, i will take a phone pic tomorrow and show you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted July 20, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2006 Nick, the adjustable butt that your old man is getting with his F3 as an option - do you know how much extra this was? See, I left a perfectly good butt joke well alone to ask a sensible question... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the last engineer Posted July 20, 2006 Report Share Posted July 20, 2006 Nick, the adjustable butt that your old man is getting with his F3 as an option - do you know how much extra this was? See, I left a perfectly good butt joke well alone to ask a sensible question... good for you son Nick i have seen 4-5 DT10'S here with that pattern that brings tears to your eyes i dont know if they did it to market the U/S shooter but what a mistake, the guys who have it tend to hold their heads low or dont bring them out much, a little like turning up at Sandringham with a mossy pump realy Mungler why do you want an adjustable stock, if you can get the stock fitted you dont need it, having it will also affect the swing weight of the gun putting more weiight into the stock, im not a fan of them personaly, i have one on my 525 Browning but will fit a standard stock soon, they are fine for fitters and fiddlers myself included, but the number one rule is consistancy, get it fixed fixed if you get my point . Martin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunganick Posted July 20, 2006 Report Share Posted July 20, 2006 Nick, the adjustable butt that your old man is getting with his F3 as an option - do you know how much extra this was? See, I left a perfectly good butt joke well alone to ask a sensible question... the old man is going to dig out the list with the prices, he cant remember the exact price for the pad, and the one he looks up might not be the current price as this gun was ordered 6months ago and the prices have been raised since then. I believe Alan Rhone is the new importer of Blaser as beechwood gave it up you can get him on 01978 660001 and he should be able to sort you out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted July 20, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2006 Picked it up this afternoon. Fits like a glove - no need for the adjustable stock. Essex Gun had a bundle in and I tried 'em all. Strangely, each is supposed to be the same weight, perfectly balanced, blah blah. But it came down to 2 guns (32" barrel). The first had dull wood but was the most magical gun when mounted - it felt normal 12g shotty weight in the hand but when mounted you wouldn't know the gun was there - it felt like a part of you. The balance was very very strange (in a good not felt this before kind of way). The other 32" gun had lovely wood but felt barrel heavy when mounted. It felt clumbsy. I thought I was going potty - I was desparate for the pretty gun to fit and feel better but it didn't. The bloke in the shop had a go and confirmed that it was barrel heavy and would be going back. So, ****** is, I have to go to work tomorrow but come Saturday wey hey. If I can suss the pictures bit I may stick some up. BTW the whole Blaser package is rather nice with the case and bits and bobs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunganick Posted July 20, 2006 Report Share Posted July 20, 2006 sporter or game? the game is the same as the sporter (apart from they have slightly different barrel lengths) the only other difference is the counter weight system in the rear of the gun, the game has this completely removed, where as the sport has it and the weights can be changed to alter the ballence. When i was in essex gun 3 or 4 months back they had a very nice 30" sporter with hangy out chokes 2nd hand with nice wood for £1800, which is £500 below list, and only £500 more than i got my MK70 for. lovely gun. Hopefully Alan Rhone will get his **** in gear and send my dads gun to andersons (my dad has only been waiting 6months) And with any luck my MK70 will be back from repair tomorow. If this happens then i think we might have to go and shoot a few hundred at the local clay ground finger crossed and touch wood and all that nonsense. glad your getting on with the new gun Mungler, look forward to seeing you shooting it at one of the SE PW clay shoots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted July 20, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2006 It's got the 32" barrels so I think that makes it a sporter. I couldn't decide whether to go for the 30" or the 32" - I currently shoot a 31" barrel so I wasn't all that bothered. In the end I went for the one that felt the nicest. Anyways, snuck it home and fobbed the missus off with some bs story about a great sale at the shop and a large credit note for the AL391 which I chopped in blah blah. She let me finish and then told me that she had seen the Blaser catalogues in the bog and had Googled for the price. Damn the internet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunganick Posted July 20, 2006 Report Share Posted July 20, 2006 It's got the 32" barrels so I think that makes it a sporter. I couldn't decide whether to go for the 30" or the 32" - I currently shoot a 31" barrel so I wasn't all that bothered. In the end I went for the one that felt the nicest. Anyways, snuck it home and fobbed the missus off with some bs story about a great sale at the shop and a large credit note for the AL391 which I chopped in blah blah. She let me finish and then told me that she had seen the Blaser catalogues in the bog and had Googled for the price. Damn the internet. you didnt use the old "havent you seen this one, ive had it for ages!" works everytime (once you have 18ish guns in the house and a mum who is completely computer and gun Illiterate) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadeye ive Posted July 20, 2006 Report Share Posted July 20, 2006 . She let me finish and then told me that she had seen the Blaser catalogues in the bog and had Googled for the price. Damn the internet. My Wife does'nt even know how to switch a computer on ..............Nor does she know how to put petrol in the car which proves to be a right nuisance sometimes ,however she does know how to drive it Good luck and enjoy the new Gun ..........As for myself I have the Mk 70 grd 1 which if the situation arose in the original starting post i would still buy one ........paid £975 for mine or was it £875 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunganick Posted July 20, 2006 Report Share Posted July 20, 2006 . She let me finish and then told me that she had seen the Blaser catalogues in the bog and had Googled for the price. Damn the internet. My Wife does'nt even know how to switch a computer on ..............Nor does she know how to put petrol in the car which proves to be a right nuisance sometimes ,however she does know how to drive it Good luck and enjoy the new Gun ..........As for myself I have the Mk 70 grd 1 which if the situation arose in the original starting post i would still buy one ........paid £975 for mine or was it £875 nothing wrong with the mk70 i plan on buying a battered 2nd hand one for my rough shooting and keep the grd 3 for clays and driven days. well at least thats the plan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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