decroyffe Posted April 24, 2012 Report Share Posted April 24, 2012 Any thoughts please. It's been lumpy for a while but the last week, and more so the last day or two, it's become really bad. To put the box in reverse I'm having to switch the engine off because of the noise and struggle it takes to engage. 1st and 2nd are very difficult too but no noise, just won't go in at times and also 3rd and 4th but not as bad. Obviously it's not right but I'd like an idea before going to a garage, regards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zx10mike Posted April 24, 2012 Report Share Posted April 24, 2012 change your gear box oil using automatic transmission fluid and see if that sorts it.i take it your clutch is not biting near the floor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted April 24, 2012 Report Share Posted April 24, 2012 Sounds like clutch, not the gearbox. Could be clutch slave cylinder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decroyffe Posted April 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2012 Hello. No there doesn't seem to be any change in the clutch, no bite etc. out of intrest what should a clutch do mileage wise. I had this one fitted about 80.000 ago. It's booked in for Thursday for a oil change on the box by an independent landrover specialist and I didn't want to rock up without a clue. If it isn't the oil anymore ideas please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decroyffe Posted April 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2012 Sounds like clutch, not the gearbox. Could be clutch slave cylinder. Hi Gordon. Excuse my ignorance but is the slave cylinder part of what you'd get when buying a clutch or something else you should do whilst fitting a new clutch??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_evil Posted April 24, 2012 Report Share Posted April 24, 2012 Yeah at 80k I'd suspect the clutch, get that changed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decroyffe Posted April 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2012 Could really do without that but hey oh. Pointless doing the oil then really at this point. Thanks for your advice fellas, much appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trayback100 Posted April 24, 2012 Report Share Posted April 24, 2012 Could really do without that but hey oh. Pointless doing the oil then really at this point. Thanks for your advice fellas, much appreciated. the 200 tdi is a lt77 box know for being notchy its the box its self the syncros have warn put an r380 in 300 tdi box much better straigh bolt together job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decroyffe Posted April 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2012 the 200 tdi is a lt77 box know for being notchy its the box its self the syncros have warn put an r380 in 300 tdi box much better straigh bolt together job Basically put a box from a 300 on to my 200!! Would that be a straight swap or would a conversion kit be needed?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshLamb Posted April 24, 2012 Report Share Posted April 24, 2012 you will need a conversion kit for it just get an LT77 box, theyre cheap enough and theres plenty around. I sold a good one for £70 not long ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trayback100 Posted April 25, 2012 Report Share Posted April 25, 2012 you will need a conversion kit for it just get an LT77 box, theyre cheap enough and theres plenty around. I sold a good one for £70 not long ago 200 and 300 boxes are the same only difference is the internals and reverse is in different position so no kit needed on box change for discos ps changed many boxes as used them in my offroader and have changed many 200 to 300s in my garage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decroyffe Posted April 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2012 Thanks for all the advice everyone. It looks like its the clutch at fault. When I pump it it's a lot easier to select gear especially 1st. I've been told to put a longer rod on??? What this means I don't know but I'm sure the old boy who told me so will explain things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted April 25, 2012 Report Share Posted April 25, 2012 (edited) Hydraulic clutches use a master and slave cylinder, connected by a hose. The master is the one attached to the pedal - rarely goes. Check the lever that runs down to your clutch pedal. Run your finger over it - any fluid - master cylinder gone. The slave is bolted to the clutch bell-housing and is the normal thing that goes. You might need to get under the Disco - check the slave cylinder. Fluid leaking out of there means either a new cylinder or a re-seal kit. Whole lot cheaper than a clutch. When they are on the way out, gears get harder to select as you have air in the system. Pumping your clutch pedal tells me that is the fault. Edited April 25, 2012 by Gordon R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decroyffe Posted April 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2012 Hydraulic clutches use a master and slave cylinder, connected by a hose. The master is the one attached to the pedal - rarely goes. Check the lever that runs down to your clutch pedal. Run your finger over it - any fluid - master cylinder gone. The slave is bolted to the clutch bell-housing and is the normal thing that goes. You might need to get under the Disco - check the slave cylinder. Fluid leaking out of there means either a new cylinder or a re-seal kit. Whole lot cheaper than a clutch. When they are on the way out, gears get harder to select as you have air in the system. Pumping your clutch pedal tells me that is the fault. Thank you, very helpful. I'm going to have a tinker tomorrow with a little guidance from a friend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decroyffe Posted April 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2012 Ps, is there a rod/bar in the slave cylinder?? The old boy mentioned it may need extending/replacing with a longer one?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cocker3 Posted April 25, 2012 Report Share Posted April 25, 2012 sounds like the slave cylinder is leaking or the master is ther any fluid under the car as before sounds more like the slave 2 bolts one pipe about half anhour to fit an new one .you can order them from jonh paddocks ,or craddocks landrover far cheaper than landrover dealer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decroyffe Posted April 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2012 Sounds pretty minor then but I still don't understand what this rod is?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stokie Posted April 26, 2012 Report Share Posted April 26, 2012 The rod is the bit inside the bell housing that pushes the clutch fork . Is is driven in by the slave cylinder . If you don't know how to do it my advise is let some one else do it for you . Just replace the cylinder don't mess about with extending rods as that can only take out a little play in something that is not working as it should . A cylinder will set you back about £40 + labour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_evil Posted April 26, 2012 Report Share Posted April 26, 2012 just to cover all bases you say you're pumping it……have you got enough fluid and bled it ? Could just be that some air has gotten in somehow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamekeeper1960 Posted April 26, 2012 Report Share Posted April 26, 2012 just to cover all bases you say you're pumping it……have you got enough fluid and bled it ? Could just be that some air has gotten in somehow As above all you need is a spanner and some one to pump the pedal,thats worth trying first as it want cost you nout and this could be all it needs but does sound like slave cylinder and you get one of the on fleebay for about £20. Dave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfletch Posted April 26, 2012 Report Share Posted April 26, 2012 There's a common fault with the slave cylinder push rod wearing through the clutch fork arm {its the gear box out to fix} Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decroyffe Posted April 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2012 Ok I've now got a manual so I know what to look for and daylight to see. By the looks of it there's no fluid in the master cylinder. I've bought the fluid and I'm going to bleed it when my mate as a minute spare later to pump the pedal. If this is the problem how has it come about?? Will there be a leak or it's it just like engine oil that gets consumed over time?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamekeeper1960 Posted April 26, 2012 Report Share Posted April 26, 2012 Ok I've now got a manual so I know what to look for and daylight to see. By the looks of it there's no fluid in the master cylinder. I've bought the fluid and I'm going to bleed it when my mate as a minute spare later to pump the pedal. If this is the problem how has it come about?? Will there be a leak or it's it just like engine oil that gets consumed over time?? Hi, No there should be no lose or very little unless the seals have gone in either the master or slave cylinder but a close look at both there are normally tell-tail signs where fluid has run down the outside of the slave cylinder or even fluid sometimes down the clutch pedal,so check both top and bottom and a master cylinder change is faily straight forward. Dave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decroyffe Posted April 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2012 No fluid in the master cylinder, DOH. Bled it through and everything's much better, still notchy/lumpy into first but it always has been. Check the pedal, master and slave for leaks and there's nothing obvious so I'll keep an eye on the master cylinder level and take it from there. Thanks to everyone who posted advice it's very much appreciated, regards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamekeeper1960 Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 No fluid in the master cylinder, DOH. Bled it through and everything's much better, still notchy/lumpy into first but it always has been. Check the pedal, master and slave for leaks and there's nothing obvious so I'll keep an eye on the master cylinder level and take it from there. Thanks to everyone who posted advice it's very much appreciated, regards. Just thinking about it, I would say if theres no sign of leaks then its more likely be the slave cylinder and it leaking into your clutch bell housing so keep an eye on it as to much can contaminate your clutch as said its not that bigger job to change one just take your time when pulling the old one out because if you pull to hard up can pull the push rod out of its plastic housing and they are a ****** to get back in so make sure you pull and twist at the same time this tends break the seal, good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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