poorpeet Posted May 30, 2012 Report Share Posted May 30, 2012 (edited) Listening to the news at one earlier & there was a bit about the proposed Buzzard control measures being thrown out. The RSPB & CA had reps there to put both points of view across. In the discussion with the CA seemed to focus on the damage to pheasents reared for driven shooting. Why? When given national exposure do they focus on some thing that most people, at best don't care about or, more likely, are against instead of making a point about Buzzards/Kites/Raptors damaging song birds/soft fluffy things, that most of the population would care about. A bit of a missed opportunity. Shooting in gereral need to get all its ducks in a row when speaking to the press. Edited May 30, 2012 by poorpeet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chard Posted May 30, 2012 Report Share Posted May 30, 2012 They focussed on Buzzard predation on Pheasant poults because that is why they wanted the control brought in. Buzzards have no noticeable effect on songbird populations and most people have the intelligence to see that. A few people need to face up to the fact that the vast majority of the population would prefer to see a healthy raptor population than a load of introduced gamebirds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted May 30, 2012 Report Share Posted May 30, 2012 BASC are noticeably absent on this discussion. This is just like Badgers the namby pamby brigade not knowing their harris from their elbow over countryside matters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poorpeet Posted May 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2012 Really? I thought I'd read that the high numbers of Buzzards was causing them to change their feeding habits and that they now accounted for a large number of other birds? If that's wrong then fair enough. My point was that they will never win a public argument against the RSPB if they are just seen to be trying to protect the shooting for a few rich landowners. IF what I read was correct & they are starting to have an affect on other 'popular' species then thats the argument they need to concentrate on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted May 30, 2012 Report Share Posted May 30, 2012 (edited) Bearing in mind the badly affected areas are talking 30% losses of released poults no one can tell me they have any wild grey partridges or leverets survive in those areas. Both fine for the RSPB to sacrifice as they can blame it on farming, Edited May 30, 2012 by al4x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudpatten Posted May 30, 2012 Report Share Posted May 30, 2012 Different perspective. BASC noticeably absent or BASC realising that a contrived radio debate may not have been a win-win situation. Something about picking fights you can win rather than just fighting for the sake of it. I did`nt hear the debate but who thought that the CA resoundingly defeated the RSPB? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chard Posted May 30, 2012 Report Share Posted May 30, 2012 Really? I thought I'd read that the high numbers of Buzzards was causing them to change their feeding habits and that they now accounted for a large number of other birds? If that's wrong then fair enough. My point was that they will never win a public argument against the RSPB if they are just seen to be trying to protect the shooting for a few rich landowners. IF what I read was correct & they are starting to have an affect on other 'popular' species then thats the argument they need to concentrate on. It's just tripe put about by keepers & Co to try and get the grannies on board. They should credit other people with a bit more intelligence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted May 30, 2012 Report Share Posted May 30, 2012 David Oh dear, some will never miss an opportunity to have a little dig at BASC, pity they did not bother to check their facts first, that its been on the BASC web site since the issue first came up, BASC have been quoted in the media on the issue including the BBC web site, and of course we also had the BBC filming at Marford Mill last week and our interview was televised last week. True enough that staged radio or indeed TV interviews can be tricky, but sometimes it better to take the opportunity than not, even though you may realise that you are not going to win, otherwise some will simply say you are being silent on the issue… The research has been put on hold, while Defra reviews its options. BASC and others including not least of all the CA and the NGO are still on the case because this is still very much an issue that needs to be resolved. Our position on this is BASC believes that good scientific research is essential when making decisions about wildlife management. As and when there are any update they will be on the BASC web site David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaserF3 Posted May 30, 2012 Report Share Posted May 30, 2012 I really find it very difficult to understand why ALL the shooting bodies cannot work together in this day and age, instead of we did this and they did that tripe that we read about every day. At the end of the day when all guns are banned,we the gun owners, will always blame someone else for what they did not do. A bit sad really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudpatten Posted May 31, 2012 Report Share Posted May 31, 2012 An interesting observation. Generally speaking, the shooting organisations are pulling together in the same direction and they speak to each other to discuss tactics. You are absolutely right in that the "They did that tripe we read about every day" is destructive and divisive. Insofar as Pigeon Watch is concerned much of this nonsense would simply not happen if no more than four regular contributors would refrain from attacking an organisation at every opportunity. Take a look back through past posts to see who they are. Much of the apparent division is not between the organisations themselves but in crackpot splinter groups who simply cannot play together with the other children. One of them will almost certainly be along in a moment to argue the point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted May 31, 2012 Report Share Posted May 31, 2012 Oh dear, some will never miss an opportunity to have a little dig at BASC, pity they did not bother to check their facts first, that its been on the BASC web site since the issue first came up, Interesting as i can't see it and in a day when the government released the information the CA had it on their website, facebook feed etc the NGO had a large press release on theirs and well I still can't see it on the BASC site they seem too happy about the new regional director which hit facebook and their news feed. So many apologies David I have now found it not under your news feed but key issues Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted May 31, 2012 Report Share Posted May 31, 2012 I really find it very difficult to understand why ALL the shooting bodies cannot work together in this day and age, instead of we did this and they did that tripe that we read about every day. Ok this is entirely down to business, charities and even shooting organisations are businesses, to survive they need membership numbers in the way other companies need to sell products. For that prime reason they have to differentiate and be seen to be different to keep and attract new members so they survive. Thats why every opportunity some come on here knocking the insurance offerings of others and keep saying we are better its all in the name of keeping the business going which keeps their wages paid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DNS Posted May 31, 2012 Report Share Posted May 31, 2012 Shooting in gereral need to get all its ducks in a row when speaking to the press. Pete - that does suppose that there is only one point of view within 'shooting'. I'm certain that is not the case Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanj Posted May 31, 2012 Report Share Posted May 31, 2012 It's just tripe put about by keepers & Co to try and get the grannies on board. They should credit other people with a bit more intelligence. Chard, You are so incredibly blinkered on this issue its difficult for other PW members to have a post on this subject without you decrying others intelligence because they dont happen to agree with your point of view. As with everything in life, all things in moderation. I dont want to see raptors eradicated but nor do I want all other species (avian or otherwise) to disappear because we cannot agree on a policy of management when it (inevitably) becomes necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted May 31, 2012 Report Share Posted May 31, 2012 Just got the latest NGO magazine in the mail today,and as Defra have now put the research 'on hold',the magazines leading article 'Buzzard Breakthrough' has been rendered obsolete.It's a shame really,as the article mentions the 'minutes of the group will soon be available on Defra's website' which would have been interesting;getting to know what all interested parties have to say. It also mentions(and puts a relative perspective on matters)that the UK Cormorant population is about one twentieth of that of the Buzzard,and yet the Angling Trust recently called for the former to be placed on the General Licence so anyone may be able to cull them to protect fisheries without having to apply individually.Both species are 'green listed',which signifies they're doing fine. It just goes to show what impact and influence a powerful body such as the likes of the RSPB etc can have.I wonder if their members are aware of the levels of hypocracy these organisations are capable of,or even if indeed they care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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