njc110381 Posted June 6, 2012 Report Share Posted June 6, 2012 I'm looking for some info on the above rounds. Does anyone here use one for targets or game? :unsure: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted June 6, 2012 Report Share Posted June 6, 2012 Another one on its way Neil? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardH Posted June 6, 2012 Report Share Posted June 6, 2012 Have used one, very cool but very loopy subsonic What do you need to know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted June 7, 2012 Report Share Posted June 7, 2012 I've used a 300 whisper that was very good in hv out to 200m I didn't shoot it future and in sub sonic would make a good quite fox gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted June 7, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2012 Another one on its way Neil? As it's a pretty rare round I'm interested to know how easy it is to run? Is there commercial brass available? The main thing I don't understand is working loads. Going subsonic with jacketed bullets is said to be quite a task in other calibres so do you work a load down until it goes quiet or is there another way? I ask because I've heard of bullets getting stuck in bores when trying to slow them down too much! I'm thinking along the lines of foxing myself, although I have started shooting at the range a bit and would like a rifle to learn to dial in with. Something like this seems as it could be ideal? Heavy barrel that shouldn't heat up too fast, loopy trajectory so I don't have to shoot at crazy long ranges to really get the hang of dialling in for a shot. And 600+ ft-lbs at the muzzle whilst maintaining subsonic .22lr levels of noise is interesting! I've seen the .300 AAC Blackout listed - is that the same thing or similar? I know commercial brass/ammo is available for that. Oh and one last thing - I assume the rounds mag feed from a .223 sized magazine well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted June 7, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2012 my thoughts are that I'd struggle to justify a .308 for fox and small deer when I already have a 7-08. The AAC or Whisper is a completely different ballgame which is easily seperated, which in turn removes the "what need do you have for it" question. I understand that using target shooting almost removes need and some people have dozens of rifles. I don't really want that and would most likely replace my .223 with one. As long as they allow fox that is. The energy is very similar to .223 and with a 100gr bullet going sonic I'd imagine it expands ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted June 7, 2012 Report Share Posted June 7, 2012 The guy who rifle I used had blackout brass but also reformed some I think he said 5.56 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardH Posted June 7, 2012 Report Share Posted June 7, 2012 my thoughts are that I'd struggle to justify a .308 for fox and small deer when I already have a 7-08. The AAC or Whisper is a completely different ballgame which is easily seperated, which in turn removes the "what need do you have for it" question. I understand that using target shooting almost removes need and some people have dozens of rifles. I don't really want that and would most likely replace my .223 with one. As long as they allow fox that is. The energy is very similar to .223 and with a 100gr bullet going sonic I'd imagine it expands ok. It'll also ricochet like a bitch subsonic as you have so little velocity and have the trajectory of a rainbow It would be a lot less practical than a .223 for field use While a very cool cartridge on a range I cant think of many occasions it would be useful in the field if its supersonic you'd still be better with a .223 and if its subsonic you have the trajectory of a .22 with subs....... Wheres the benefit?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted June 7, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2012 I'd like to use it mainly as a range gun to learn more about dialling in really, but I don't like any of my rifles tied to club use because it means I always have to be a club member. What use would it have in the field? Well with soft cast bullets and a rangefinder it would make a great foxing round. 450ft-lbs at 100 yards and 400ft-lbs at 200 it will easily kill a fox to that range and more importantly very quietly. You've got the downrange power of a .22 Hornet but the noise of a .22lr. It's just an idea for now and I need to read up on it a lot more, but I could do with a new toy and like unusual calibres. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunderbuss Posted June 7, 2012 Report Share Posted June 7, 2012 I could do with a new toy and like unusual calibres. Really? You don't say... I've got a .123 Blunderbuss improved, belted magnum going cheap? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted June 7, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2012 (edited) a .12 calibre belted magnum.... Not sure I'd risk buying a barrel burner like that second hand! In fact that's another point. Barrel life on a subsonic .30 must be pretty endless? Edited June 7, 2012 by njc110381 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted June 7, 2012 Report Share Posted June 7, 2012 Njc, I have done plenty of reloading in 30wcf and 308 to subsonic levels and just above. With cast and jacketed. Enough to advise you that simply going off ft/lbs is folly. It will on fox not be much better than a solid 22lr hitting a fox! At those vel levels you need a large hole accomplished by .40 and up or an expanding type of slug designed to open at those speeds. A reversed bullet would fair better! Head and neck shot would only be likely stoppers, a good dog would come in handy for other shots! That was the negative! I am confident that a Hornady 110 v-max would work well driven as quick as can be. Sorry if I sound as though I am trying to put you off, I am not. Just don't go off ft/lbs! With my encounters with fox and sub-loads I always centered the ribs, that way I knew I killed them even if some were not recovered. I prefered that to jawing one! I have also had rabbits crawl off after a slow .30 cast slug passed through it's middle! U. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted June 7, 2012 Report Share Posted June 7, 2012 How about something chambered for a magnum pistol round, 44Mag perhaps ? Easily and safely downloaded, heavy bullet, expanding bullets can have huge cavities to work at low velocity. Sounds like fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted June 7, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2012 I've been looking into the expansion issues. It seems that there are a few soft cast bullets about and hollow pointing tools which will make them work? Either that or a couple of companies in the states make AAC specific bullets that do expand well at under 1100fps. I appreciate you sharing your concern though - it's also my biggest worry so far as none of the regular .30 bullets will expand at such slow speeds. I did think about a pistol round but they're hopeless at range with no higher velocity option. Here's a video of one of the sub bullets compared to a 22gr SMK... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 Spoke the lad I know last night he uses 300 BLK expanding heads he gets from the states. They seemed to work well on foxes when we went out the supersonic where better but no benefit over my 223 expect he only has 1 rifle for foxes and the range. He did have problems with his reloads the case was a touch to long, said there where 2 types of chamber, the cases would not eject works fine with his new dies. I don't understand reloading but thought a calibres chamber was a set standard thing, but have no reason disbelief this guy, unless it's a wildcat calibres chamber thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted June 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 When wildcats or custom chambers are concerned there can be small variations depending on how tight the dies/chamber is cut. The .300 Whisper and the .300AAC Blackout are that close that some rounds can be interchanged but others can't - or at least that's my understanding of it! You have unknowingly answered one very important question for me with your last reply though. Your friend has found a way to get these bullets from the states - that was something I needed to look into. Don't suppose you could ask him where they come from next time you see him could you? I'd be very grateful! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted June 9, 2012 Report Share Posted June 9, 2012 He uses long 308 bullets for super sonic and his subsonic heads he bought in the states a picks some up when he's there on work I'll try and find out what they where. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted June 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2012 Thanks. I have a few triends out that way so as long as I know where they come from I can get them back here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted June 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2012 The latest I've read on getting subs to expand is to make your own. You can buy jackets cheaply and one American guy suggests filling a jacket with moly coated lead shot and pressing it in. Apparently it doesn't bond together strongly so on impact all the flattened balls seperate, fragmenting the bullet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alycidon Posted June 11, 2012 Report Share Posted June 11, 2012 Cant see the point unless you are looking to quietly remove deer close to houses. Dialing in the use 22LR subbies. A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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