Blunderbuss Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 (edited) I've just bought a second hand moderator on another forum and because it's not local to me, I've had to have it sent from the sellers RFD to one near me. I've always bought guns and mods face to face or in shops before, so this RFD to RFD malarkey is new to me. The despatching RFD charged £15, which I don't think is unreasonable and the seller added this to the selling price. I had to give him the name of an RFD local to me, was in a rush so I just named the nearest one. I just phoned them to tell them it's on it's way, only to be told of their £25 "handling fee"! And for what - to write it on my certificate? I expected to pay something, but not nearly twice as much as the despatching RFD who had to pay the courier charges. It's my own fault for not doing my homework, especially as I know this dealer has a reputation for high charges generally. TBH, it's added that much to what appeared to be a second hand bargain, that I'd have nearly been better buying new I've not done this before, is this par for the course - or have I been had? It feels like a **** taking scam from where I'm sat :( Edited June 15, 2012 by Blunderbuss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penfolio Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 £25 is the going rate that my local RFD's charge for receiving firearms/shotguns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 Feeling your pain Dave and PM on the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunderbuss Posted June 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 Yes but your rfd has to notify the police of the transfer and when paperwork is backtracked is liable for the item. Its not just about 30 seconds to write it onto your certificate! But doesn't the sending dealer have to do exactly the same? I.e. have to notify the police that he's taken it off the seller's certificate, and had to pay the courier fees, yet does all this for £15? The maths don't add up to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 If you were an RFD would you do it for peanuts after all knock VAT off that figure and a bit of admin and postage and really its not worth doing. Thats before you think whether you would have bought a moderator from them if you hadn't bought it elsewhere. The first guy was a bit of a mug doing it for £15 which may be due to the seller being a good customer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leaseone Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 The sending RFD does not have to inform the police, only the 1 you deal with who writes it on your Cert. PS we charge £25 and why not, while I am filling out your form someone could be waiting to buy a gun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunderbuss Posted June 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 Fister I'm sure lots of us work in jobs where "liability", of one sort or another is a constant issue. Fifty quid "admin fees" to buy a can with some washers in it? Jeez I'm in the wrong job. You live and learn though, face to face only for me in future Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 I'm afraid that's the way it works with RFD transfers. It's not a cheap hobby posting guns unless you're getting a really good deal. I've never understood why moderators need to be sent this way. You can post the exact same thing off ticket for an air rifle via Royal Mail! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunderbuss Posted June 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 (edited) It's not a cheap hobby posting guns unless you're getting a really good deal Indeed, so it seems. Unless, in the unlikely I ever get offered a Holland & Holland Royal Deluxe for the price of a tatty old Baikal, I'll be giving it a miss in future Edited June 15, 2012 by Blunderbuss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livefast123 Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 It's a uncompetitive market so they can (and do) charge what they like, my local RFD charges £15 which I think is resonable for the amount of work involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hambone Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 (edited) Indeed, so it seems. Unless, in the unlikely I ever get offered a Holland & Holland Royal Deluxe for the price of a tatty old Baikal, I'll be giving it a miss in future I have got to agree, bought a rifle off here and not only did the RFD to RFD add £50 to the cost i did not think much of the rifle when it arrived. Face to face in future for me. Edited June 15, 2012 by hambone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddoakley Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 The sending RFD does not have to inform the police, only the 1 you deal with who writes it on your Cert. PS we charge £25 and why not, while I am filling out your form someone could be waiting to buy a gun I think (in fact know) that you will find that the sending rfd does have to inform FL Dept. They must tell FL of any item entered into the register UNLESS it comes from another RFD. Edd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leaseone Posted June 16, 2012 Report Share Posted June 16, 2012 eddoakley are you sure if its going to an RFD, guntrader does not produce the form 11. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poacher Posted June 16, 2012 Report Share Posted June 16, 2012 I think (in fact know) that you will find that the sending rfd does have to inform FL Dept. They must tell FL of any item entered into the register UNLESS it comes from another RFD. Edd you're wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddoakley Posted June 16, 2012 Report Share Posted June 16, 2012 Fister, yes i am an rfd. Edd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddoakley Posted June 16, 2012 Report Share Posted June 16, 2012 Ah I see. no worries. In that case, poacher, I am not wrong and if you like i will find a link to the relevant details. When recieving any firearm I (as an rfd) must notify my fld and enter it into the register. The only exception is if the item is rexieved from another RFD in which case it is only entered in my register and not notified to flo. Edd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark35gun Posted June 16, 2012 Report Share Posted June 16, 2012 I think (in fact know) that you will find that the sending rfd does have to inform FL Dept. They must tell FL of any item entered into the register UNLESS it comes from another RFD. Edd Rfds do not have to inform the police every time you make an entry into the register, we do however have to notify when we sell or transfer a gun or moderator to a private individual, then both parties have to notify, RFD to RFD requires no notification, purchases from private individuals, would be responsible for notification to the police, not the RFD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark35gun Posted June 16, 2012 Report Share Posted June 16, 2012 This is the way I hAve been doing it for over 10 years with no comments from the police,. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danimal Posted June 16, 2012 Report Share Posted June 16, 2012 if you dont like the charges all you have to do is get in your car and get driving, your choice! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunderbuss Posted June 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2012 (edited) if you dont like the charges all you have to do is get in your car and get driving, your choice! I know you're an RFD, I've used your shop in Bristol a few times. What you say is of course true. That's exactly what I'll do in future because of that kind of "I'll charge what I like and there's nothing you can do about it, so tough" attitude I'll also make a point of not buying guns or anything else from any dealers who are so contemptuous of their customers. Thankfully there are still one or two around who either levy more reasonable charges or at least polite and try to offer some reasoned justification for their £25 fee, without the "if you don't like it tough" comments. It's interesting to see the comments from the several dealers on this thread. I've a lot more respect for those who try to explain why they feel it's fair to charge £25 (or whatever), than those who make flippant comments which betray a contempt for those who pay their wages. I'm no MBA, but that doesn't strike me as the best business strategy? Edited June 16, 2012 by Blunderbuss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark35gun Posted June 16, 2012 Report Share Posted June 16, 2012 I know you're an RFD, I've used your shop in Bristol a few times. What you say is of course true. That's exactly what I'll do in future because of that kind of "I'll charge what I like and there's nothing you can do about it, so tough" attitude I'll also make a point of not buying guns or anything else from any dealers who are so contemptuous of their customers. Thankfully there are still one or two around who either levy more reasonable charges or at least polite and try to offer some reasoned justification for their £25 fee, without the "if you don't like it tough" comments. It's interesting to see the comments from the several dealers on this thread. I've a lot more respect for those who try to explain why they feel it's fair to charge £25 (or whatever), than those who make flippant comments which betray a contempt for those who pay their wages. I'm no MBA, but that doesn't strike me as the best business strategy? We charge 20 pounds regardless of what the item is , regardless of quantity, I feel that this is a fair price, I would appreciate, comments form other people, what do you think to our charges?I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dicehorn Posted June 16, 2012 Report Share Posted June 16, 2012 This is the way I hAve been doing it for over 10 years with no comments from the police,. Must agree with you that is the way we do it. On your charges, that seems reasonable. For our part we do not make a charge for the admin, only a charge for sending it via TNT - currently £17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunderbuss Posted June 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2012 (edited) We charge 20 pounds regardless of what the item is , regardless of quantity, I feel that this is a fair price, I would appreciate, comments form other people, what do you think to our charges?I Must agree with you that is the way we do it. On your charges, that seems reasonable. For our part we do not make a charge for the admin, only a charge for sending it via TNT - currently £17 Both seem fair, thanks for taking the time to explain how much you charge and little of the reasoning behind it Dicehorn, what do you charge when you are the receiving RFD? Edited June 16, 2012 by Blunderbuss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark35gun Posted June 16, 2012 Report Share Posted June 16, 2012 Must agree with you that is the way we do it. On your charges, that seems reasonable. For our part we do not make a charge for the admin, only a charge for sending it via TNT - currently £17 Well you see, most of the time I work alone, and find booking in a hassle, because we run a busy gunsmith/retail shop and pride ourselves on a quick turnaround time for most repairs, so time is at a premium. But in saying that if it's a good regular customer, we don't charge at all, I know some Rfds charge a lot, not something I agree with, as I don't think it's good for business, bur no matter what the charges are, they should be made clear in the first place, however some people EXPECT to get this service for free and that is equally unfair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunderbuss Posted June 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2012 Well you see, most of the time I work alone, and find booking in a hassle, because we run a busy gunsmith/retail shop and pride ourselves on a quick turnaround time for most repairs, so time is at a premium. But in saying that if it's a good regular customer, we don't charge at all, I know some Rfds charge a lot, not something I agree with, as I don't think it's good for business, bur no matter what the charges are, they should be made clear in the first place, however some people EXPECT to get this service for free and that is equally unfair. Wouldn't disagree with any of that. Where's your shop? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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