Manxman100 Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 I wonder if someone can help me please? I have an RWS 500 plus rifle rated at 60 ft.lbs. I need pellets which weigh more than 21.3 grains to keep them subsonic but the only ones I can find are Wasp Magnum at 30 grains. These are excellent but can sometimes go straight through the quarry and not kill it instantly. Daystate, who made the rifle for RWS, don't seem inclined to help. Does anyone know if there are any hollow point pellets available which weigh more than 21.3 grains? If so where can I buy them please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 I wonder if someone can help me please? I have an RWS 500 plus rifle rated at 60 ft.lbs. I need pellets which weigh more than 21.3 grains to keep them subsonic but the only ones I can find are Wasp Magnum at 30 grains. These are excellent but can sometimes go straight through the quarry and not kill it instantly. Daystate, who made the rifle for RWS, don't seem inclined to help. Does anyone know if there are any hollow point pellets available which weigh more than 21.3 grains? If so where can I buy them please? I think Daystate do some air bullets for the super high FAC guns they produce. can i ask why you wanted such a tool? its just something i dont understand as you are only slightly behing a std .22 LR subsonic. and seems such a hassle, is there some point i am missing? As for expantion i think you might be on a looser on that one and personally should look at placement if it must be air power, even at 12 ft lb pellets can pass sideways through a bunny and there is a potentially much higher demand for something better at that level than 60ft lb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxman100 Posted June 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 I think Daystate do some air bullets for the super high FAC guns they produce. can i ask why you wanted such a tool? its just something i dont understand as you are only slightly behing a std .22 LR subsonic. and seems such a hassle, is there some point i am missing? As for expantion i think you might be on a looser on that one and personally should look at placement if it must be air power, even at 12 ft lb pellets can pass sideways through a bunny and there is a potentially much higher demand for something better at that level than 60ft lb Many thanks for your reply Kent. I originally applied for an FAC for a .22 rimfire but the officer who came to inspect was concerned about ricochets. He suggested a .17 HMR but I didn't want one because of the noise. We settled on an FAC rated air rifle and I found the RWS. I started of with 15 grain hollow point pellets but they were very noisy even with a silencer. My local gunsmith said - quite correctly - that they were going supersonic. He gave me the 30 grain solid pellets which are much quieter but they can go through without killing quickly and I don't like that. Daystate suggested Bisley Magnum at 21.4 grain but they're not hollow point so I'm no better off. Daystate used to have the 28 grain Dae Sung pellets - my rifle was originally tested by Daystate using them - but they don't have them any more. The Eley Wasp Magnums I'm using look exactly like .22 short bullets, .22 shorts are available as hollow point so I hoped the hollow point bullets would be available. That's where I'm up to! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 I wonder if someone can help me please? I have an RWS 500 plus rifle rated at 60 ft.lbs. I need pellets which weigh more than 21.3 grains to keep them subsonic but the only ones I can find are Wasp Magnum at 30 grains. These are excellent but can sometimes go straight through the quarry and not kill it instantly. Daystate, who made the rifle for RWS, don't seem inclined to help. Does anyone know if there are any hollow point pellets available which weigh more than 21.3 grains? If so where can I buy them please? Ok, help me understand a few of things, why did you opt for a 60ft Air rifle, what research did you do before purchase that led you to this rifle, what task do you require of such a specialist beast...... which apparently it isn't performing? Lower power FAC air or .22lr come to mind as much better options, not least for shot repeatability, usability, ammo/pellet choice, availability, effectiveness, and even probably price! ATB! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 Ok, help me understand a few of things, why did you opt for a 60ft Air rifle, what research did you do before purchase that led you to this rifle, what task do you require of such a specialist beast...... which apparently it isn't performing? Lower power FAC air or .22lr come to mind as much better options, not least for shot repeatability, usability, ammo/pellet choice, availability, effectiveness, and even probably price! ATB! I think you might want to read his reply to the same question that i posted one previous. This is the only reason i can understand, though i do not agree with it i do understand it. personally i should wind it back to around 30 and get more shots and just use bis mags or similar, mine does near enough as good a job as the .22lr up to 50yds or so if it aint too windy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardo Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 definitely sounds worth adjusting it to a lower power Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxman100 Posted June 20, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 Ok, help me understand a few of things, why did you opt for a 60ft Air rifle, what research did you do before purchase that led you to this rifle, what task do you require of such a specialist beast...... which apparently it isn't performing? Lower power FAC air or .22lr come to mind as much better options, not least for shot repeatability, usability, ammo/pellet choice, availability, effectiveness, and even probably price! ATB! Thank you for your comments Dekers. I'm shooting at two different ranges, rabbits at 60 to 90 yards and squirrels at 40 to 45 yards. The rabbits are coming out of rough ground and feeding in a paddock and the squirrels are coming out of woodland to a feeder near a pond to which I encourage wildfowl. I enjoy watching the ducks etc., I do NOT shoot them!!! As I wrote to Kent, because of the range of the rabbits I originally applied for a .22 rimfire rifle but was refused, the next best thing was the RWS, at least I thought so! Two gun shops I visited both expressed reserve at shooting rabbits at 75 plus yards with a 30 ft.lb rifle so the RWS seemed to fulfil the requirements. If I could find a source of hollow point pellets (or bullets) I thought that might solve the problem. The heaviest hollow point I've found is the Bisley Pest Control at 18 grains. If I had the rifle down-rated to 48 ft.lbs. this would keep the pellets subsonic so it might be the answer. I would prefer however to leave the rifle as it is and find a hollow point pellet heavier than 21.3 grains, the minimum to keep it's velocity below 1126 fps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 (edited) Thank you for your comments Dekers. I'm shooting at two different ranges, rabbits at 60 to 90 yards and squirrels at 40 to 45 yards. The rabbits are coming out of rough ground and feeding in a paddock and the squirrels are coming out of woodland to a feeder near a pond to which I encourage wildfowl. I enjoy watching the ducks etc., I do NOT shoot them!!! As I wrote to Kent, because of the range of the rabbits I originally applied for a .22 rimfire rifle but was refused, the next best thing was the RWS, at least I thought so! Two gun shops I visited both expressed reserve at shooting rabbits at 75 plus yards with a 30 ft.lb rifle so the RWS seemed to fulfil the requirements. If I could find a source of hollow point pellets (or bullets) I thought that might solve the problem. The heaviest hollow point I've found is the Bisley Pest Control at 18 grains. If I had the rifle down-rated to 48 ft.lbs. this would keep the pellets subsonic so it might be the answer. I would prefer however to leave the rifle as it is and find a hollow point pellet heavier than 21.3 grains, the minimum to keep it's velocity below 1126 fps. Many people with .22lr subs, circa 100ft lb, zero at 50-60yards, and you are looking at 60-90yards with an air rifle at 60ft lb, and want to keep it quiet... Maybe lower the power, use lighter pellets and build a hide closer to the rabbits! Edit Where are you aiming/hitting these rabbits at 60-90yards and the pellet keeps going through, perhaps a POA chance would also help! Edited June 20, 2012 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxman100 Posted June 20, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 Thank you Dekers for your prompt response. With a lot of help from my local gunsmith I've tried a number of silencers but finally settled on a Weihrauch with one or two of my own modifications so the gun is fairly quiet. The location doesn't permit a hide closer to the rabbits unless I'm prepared to spend hours waiting for them, which I'm not! My POA is the chest - the head moves too much - but even then I've had problems, particularly with squirrels. The sound of the impact on the squirrel is unmistakable but yesterday one was bowled over by the impact, ran off and climbed into a tree and then, about 30 seconds later, fell out dead. Examination showed the pellet had gone straight through the chest just behind the shoulder. I've now seen that H & N have brought out the 'Hunter Extreme' at 19.09 grains and with hollow points so using these and doing as you suggest by dropping the power accordingly is probably worth trying. Many thanks for your help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbo33 Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 Ok, help me understand a few of things, why did you opt for a 60ft Air rifle, what research did you do before purchase that led you to this rifle, what task do you require of such a specialist beast...... which apparently it isn't performing? Lower power FAC air or .22lr come to mind as much better options, not least for shot repeatability, usability, ammo/pellet choice, availability, effectiveness, and even probably price! ATB! Dekers, have you considered HRT? :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tweedledee Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 no hollow point is accurate at distance mate. best trying to back off power then your pellet options will increase. 30 ft lbs plenty for me.make long range shots regular when conditions are right. bis mags or some of the daystate heavy pellets may suit.hp`s are poor in high powered guns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisheruk Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 I think your FEO needs a lesson about ricochet. A pellet flying at 60ft/lb will be just as liable to ricochet as a .22lr. I have an FAC air running substantially slower than yours and I still get the occasional flyer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 Thank you Dekers for your prompt response. With a lot of help from my local gunsmith I've tried a number of silencers but finally settled on a Weihrauch with one or two of my own modifications so the gun is fairly quiet. The location doesn't permit a hide closer to the rabbits unless I'm prepared to spend hours waiting for them, which I'm not! My POA is the chest - the head moves too much - but even then I've had problems, particularly with squirrels. The sound of the impact on the squirrel is unmistakable but yesterday one was bowled over by the impact, ran off and climbed into a tree and then, about 30 seconds later, fell out dead. Examination showed the pellet had gone straight through the chest just behind the shoulder. I've now seen that H & N have brought out the 'Hunter Extreme' at 19.09 grains and with hollow points so using these and doing as you suggest by dropping the power accordingly is probably worth trying. Many thanks for your help. Your failing to understand how the chest shot kills. This will happen with most rifles, ammo, quarry. Only well executed neck and brain shots give total" bang flops" 100% of the time chest relies on stopping circulation of blood to the brain carrying oxegen, through bleed out or lack of lung function. For quicker kills shooting into the chest from the front to back helps some via holding more shock through more vital organs and faster heamouraging Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick miller Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 I'm afraid I'm with the folks recommending a lower power in FAC air, not only is 60fpe substantially more punishing on your air supply but you're really up against it as far as pellet choice goes. With practice and a little holdover you will in time learn to hit targets out to 75 yards with a FAC air at 30fpe, your pellet choice opens up massively and you get many more shots per fill, plus it's a doddle to silence and less prone to ricochet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 I'm afraid I'm with the folks recommending a lower power in FAC air, not only is 60fpe substantially more punishing on your air supply but you're really up against it as far as pellet choice goes. With practice and a little holdover you will in time learn to hit targets out to 75 yards with a FAC air at 30fpe, your pellet choice opens up massively and you get many more shots per fill, plus it's a doddle to silence and less prone to ricochet. if ever you were to need that 60ftlbs, then the better option is .25 cal. but that is a whole new can of worms. just right for those energies and still hovers at subsonic. it will eat air, but thats one of the quirks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxman100 Posted June 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 Gentlemen, many thanks for all your comments, they are much appreciated. I visited my local gun shop today and the gunsmith who does all the work on the air rifles was there. We discussed all the points raised by your good selves. (Except the one about Dekers going onto HRT!!) He completely agreed that a reduction in m.e. would be of great benefit and that he could do it. Thank you again one and all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlerob Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 jsb ultra shock .22 heavy 24grains hollow ebay have a few for sale look on http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/JSB-ULTRA-SHOCK-HEAVY-22-5-52mm-Airgun-Pellets-4-tins-x150pcs-IMPACT-/130592072186?pt=UK_SportingGoods_Hunting_ShootingSports_ET&hash=item1e67e4e1fa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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