Bloggs Posted July 30, 2012 Report Share Posted July 30, 2012 I'm glad that everything is now resolved... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted July 30, 2012 Report Share Posted July 30, 2012 glad its sorted for you, a load off your mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robl Posted July 30, 2012 Report Share Posted July 30, 2012 Sorry but that is shocking if true. I have the same problem with this that I had a few weeks back when I posted about the police contacting a school when a child applied. It is NOTHING to do with anyone else and certainly nothing to do with an applicants employer. In fact, unless you have given them permission to do so then contacting anyone and telling them they you have made an application then the police are almost certainly breaking the law relating to data protection. J. I’ve just filled in my form. I had to enter details of employer. I have every expectation that they will contact my employer – otherwise why would they ask for the details. I would expect the conversation to go like this; FAO – Hi, I’m the police fireaems person, I just want to confirm that Fred Smith works there as he’s just applied for shotgun cert. HR – Yes He does. FAO – and how long has he worked there HR – about 5 years FAO – And can you just confirm his home address. HR – Yes, It’s 23 Acacia Avenue. FAO – Thanks, lastly, can you let me know if there’s anything on his employment record that you think I should know about. HR – nothing at all. FAO – Great, thanks very much. Don’t forget, this is all confidential. Have a nice day. Bye. HR – Bye. I guess it might be a bit different, they may not mention firearms and just say it’s the police doing a general police check, they may not ask about any problems on the employment history. I guess it depends on the rest of the details on form and how the conversation develops. But, I would expect that every bit of information in my form be double checked. Especially as most that information can be checked with a quick google and phonecall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted July 30, 2012 Report Share Posted July 30, 2012 Well, the good news is that it's all sorted ,no apology from the firearms dept, because as they say(which I can understand & agree with)when any type of issue/report or complaint is received, they MUST investigate it , but they do agree with us that the manager & HR dept involved were a little over zealous in their actions . My son,last Friday,requested an interview with the HR dept, expained the stress caused by them & when she realised just how much inconvienience she had caused to all concerned, she admitted she didn't know anything about the procedure that had to be adhered to by the FAO in order to ensure all was correct. She has verbally apologised to my son . The strange thing about it all is that when my son arrived at work this morning, he was informed by his work colleagues that both ladies, (the manager & the HR manager) have both gone on sick leave.I expect they're having A BAD DAY . surely the FEO when they rang should have clarified the detail and explained the situation! Perhaps ACPO need to write a guidance document for HR depts as to what is what! Now the cat is out of the bag perhaps he should get pro active and arrange a have a go session for his colleagues... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yankeedoodlepigeon Posted July 30, 2012 Report Share Posted July 30, 2012 (edited) I’ve just filled in my form. I had to enter details of employer. I have every expectation that they will contact my employer – otherwise why would they ask for the details. I would expect the conversation to go like this; FAO – Hi, I’m the police fireaems person, I just want to confirm that Fred Smith works there as he’s just applied for shotgun cert. HR – Yes He does. FAO – and how long has he worked there HR – about 5 years FAO – And can you just confirm his home address. HR – Yes, It’s 23 Acacia Avenue. FAO – Thanks, lastly, can you let me know if there’s anything on his employment record that you think I should know about. HR – nothing at all. FAO – Great, thanks very much. Don’t forget, this is all confidential. Have a nice day. Bye. HR – Bye. I guess it might be a bit different, they may not mention firearms and just say it’s the police doing a general police check, they may not ask about any problems on the employment history. I guess it depends on the rest of the details on form and how the conversation develops. But, I would expect that every bit of information in my form be double checked. Especially as most that information can be checked with a quick google and phonecall. Fred Smith lives 3 doors down from Bananaman Edit he is round the corner on Acacia Road Edited July 30, 2012 by yankeedoodlepigeon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robl Posted July 30, 2012 Report Share Posted July 30, 2012 Fred Smith lives 3 doors down from Bananaman Edit he is round the corner on Acacia Road Charlotte the Harlot works as 22 Accacia Avenue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted July 30, 2012 Report Share Posted July 30, 2012 I’ve just filled in my form. I had to enter details of employer. I have every expectation that they will contact my employer – otherwise why would they ask for the details. I would expect the conversation to go like this; FAO – Hi, I’m the police fireaems person, I just want to confirm that Fred Smith works there as he’s just applied for shotgun cert. HR – Yes He does. FAO – and how long has he worked there HR – about 5 years FAO – And can you just confirm his home address. HR – Yes, It’s 23 Acacia Avenue. FAO – Thanks, lastly, can you let me know if there’s anything on his employment record that you think I should know about. HR – nothing at all. FAO – Great, thanks very much. Don’t forget, this is all confidential. Have a nice day. Bye. HR – Bye. I guess it might be a bit different, they may not mention firearms and just say it’s the police doing a general police check, they may not ask about any problems on the employment history. I guess it depends on the rest of the details on form and how the conversation develops. But, I would expect that every bit of information in my form be double checked. Especially as most that information can be checked with a quick google and phonecall. They ask in case they ever need to find you. If they know where you work it is easier to get hold of you. Also, of course, it's one more piece of information that makes it that little bit more difficult to invent a false ID for nefarius purposes. A lie is one thing to pull off; a complicated lie is quite another. The form does not ask anywhere for permission to contact your employer. It merely asks who your employer is. That is not an implied permission to start asking questions and relasing information to people. If you compare it with the part where they ask for details of your doctor, there is a specific authority for you to sign giving permission to ask him/her about your medical history. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted July 30, 2012 Report Share Posted July 30, 2012 They don't contact employers or HR depts as a matter of course when someone applies for a ticket Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted July 30, 2012 Report Share Posted July 30, 2012 They don't contact employers or HR depts as a matter of course when someone applies for a ticket Don't see why the should really your employer may know you well or not at all bit like your GP! Also I would think a fair % are self employed farmers etc or not at all retired etc how would it with MP's! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted July 30, 2012 Report Share Posted July 30, 2012 Exactly. It's all part of the picture they're building up of you for their files. And as JonathanL says, if they need to find you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard V Posted July 30, 2012 Report Share Posted July 30, 2012 Only the PNC and doctor for your medical records I believe, they haven't contacted my counter signatory and it sounds like they haven't contaced my employer either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clakk Posted July 31, 2012 Report Share Posted July 31, 2012 my dept manager whos been boss for ten years was my referee and hes not been contacted 8 months after i got my ticket ,and when i told my HR manager im applying for a FAC and the police may fone her asked what i shoot/eat and then told me how she cooks pike ,crazy world Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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