tomov Posted July 31, 2012 Report Share Posted July 31, 2012 I am a member of both the CA and BASC and support them in any way I can. A little rivalry between organisations is one thing, however, I'm sure I'm not the only one who finds this snide sniping a little distasteful and completely unnecessary. I thought Christopher Graffius better than this. Well put. You are of course entitled to your view Christopher, but you must surely have known that to express it in such a fashion could be perceived as one organisation casting aspersions on another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewluke Posted July 31, 2012 Report Share Posted July 31, 2012 they got hounded out, we did have someone try but they had such a hard time they've not bothered since, can't really say after the incident that I blame them BASC staff on here seem to take alot of stick on here but they've decided to stick around! andrew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Graffius Posted July 31, 2012 Report Share Posted July 31, 2012 Sorry not to have replied earlier - I've been out of the office at a meeting. My earlier statement is strictly factual and if you don't like what I say please point out where you think it isn't factual, BASC is a not for profit organisation, all the funds it raises are used for shooting and nothing else. A full set of accounts are made public each year and published in the magazine. The pie chart published in the May edition of the magazine does not identify salaries but breaks down expenditure by function - gamekeeping and deer services, training, wildfowling, media, politics etc.. Salaries and employment costs are the major expenditure of any representative organisation and equate at BASC (as the accounts show) to around 50% of income. Without the staff a representative organisation can't do its job. The cost of insurance last year was £877,360 or 11.8% of expenditure. This is not a "last resort" policy - as I believe the CA's is - but a policy of first resort. It would be interesting to see the same figures for expenditure on shooting from the CA - I can see no reason why those should not be in the public domain. This thread was started by a member asking for advice. When I ask for advice I want the truth, it does no one any favours to sweep the facts under the carpet. Christopher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bear68 Posted July 31, 2012 Report Share Posted July 31, 2012 (edited) And if you were a CA member they might have done the same, But nice to know you got help anyway I am a previous member of the CA, but I find its website is a bit lacking in information as to the benefits of membership other than public liability insurance and a pledge to campaign for shooting (they have got off to a good start on lead shot). There is not a list of departments dealing specifically with shooting (BASC has Firearms, Conservation, Gamekeeping, Deer, Wildfowling and Gamekeeping). I do know the CA has a legal helpline, but never had cause to use it when I was a member. Bickering between organisations is counter-productive, and people need to weigh up the pro's and con's of each before parting with their subs. I chose BASC, and have not regretted it. Insurance is only part of the package offered by BASC, CA, SACS, SGA & NGO, and the ability to safeguard the interests of both individuals and the membership as a whole is important. Edited July 31, 2012 by Bear68 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted July 31, 2012 Report Share Posted July 31, 2012 Mr Graffius Not so much the facts but the way you say it. Funny old world, when so much energy is expended sniping between ourselves rather than directing all our energies into promoting shooting. Just a gentle reminder that the BFFS (now the CA) was represented hunting, shooting and fishing when WAGBI (now the BASC) was just wildfowlers. It's a little rich to insinuate that they, the CA, have only recently become interested in shooting. When I joined the BFFS in the 60's I was already a member of WAGBI. I joined the BFFS because they were the only organisation at that time that represented shooting as a whole, I signed up at a small farmers clay shoot where they had a table promoting themselves. So you see, as far as I am concerned they have always done their bit for shooting. I take my hat off to the BASC, they have grown with the times and have done and indeed are doing a great job, all I ask is that all our organisations show each other the respect they deserve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anser2 Posted July 31, 2012 Report Share Posted July 31, 2012 (edited) I have asked on forums and face to face three CA staff members including the last director what percentage of their income is spent on shooting. One promised to get back to me and never did , one said she (ex director ) did not know and the other said it was impossible to split up their expenditure. BASC clearly shows where it spends its money every year in its anunal report I cant beleve the CA is unable to do this , unless they have something to hide. I suspect that they use the subs rased from its shooting membership to support hunting which is their prime interest judging from their web pages. As for the sniping , well it all started when the CA advertised its membership was cheaper than BASC. Nobody should just join a shooting organisation just for the insurance , you can get that much cheaper online anyway. They should join because they want to support their sport and want it to have a future. A BASC member and ex BFSS\CA member Edited July 31, 2012 by anser2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted July 31, 2012 Report Share Posted July 31, 2012 Unless pelt man is a BASC member he wont see the 'pie chart' will he? Surely in that case he'd have said, 'your subs' wouldn't he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted July 31, 2012 Report Share Posted July 31, 2012 Pays your money and takes your choice. Join as many organisations that support your interests as you can afford to do, but I wouldn't join any just for the insurance. Another shooting insurance thread closed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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