contrysports Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 anyone elses semi auto not clycle these due to be really dirty? mine has never cycled one. these are both 7.5 28g and 24g Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert 888 Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 Are they the blue ones if so i like them up my o/u as not as punchy as others. The less recoil could cause cycling issues maybe,they work in my webly&scott 810 auto and thats as clean as a new whistle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloke Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 My Benelli will shoot the 28gm and 24gm Firsts all day, if I use the 21gm it will not cycle about one in 30.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super sharp shooter Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 Are they less than 70mm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 Are they less than 70mm Firsts are yes, what semi? This whole clean/dirty thing is none sense IME Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huffhuff Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 I use Ely firsts (black ones?!?) through both my semi's with no problem... plus I didn't think they were overly 'dirty'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salop Matt Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 My Benelli M2 cycles these (eley first black 28g fibre 7.5shot) every time without fail. The only 28gram it isnt keen on is the hull comp x`s but they are soft as .... Try eley olympics and see how you get on with them as they are 110 FPS faster volocity so should recoil better in the semi auto giving higher pressers in the gass system ! They also seem to be a bit clearner ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cant hit rabbits 123 Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 I put Eley Firsts through both Browning and Beretta autos, and a friend puts them through a Benelli auto without fail. I honestly cannot remember last time I had a jam with an Eley First. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeon pete Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 black ones with my hatsan fine and in a saiga 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TbirdX Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 Had firsts through my Maxus no problems at all. Prefer Olympics myself though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1in9 Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 Work in my Benelli just fine. A little 'dirtier' to clean than some cartridges (I find RC less mucky) but note massively so. My first port of call on a gas semi would be to check the pistons are shiny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 Still think cycling has more to do with chamber and casing length my uncles browning semi won't cycle 65mm cases fine with 70mm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert 888 Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 Just looked back at his posts,the auto in question could be an armed wilfowler.I havent heard of thease so not sure on the internals. It has also had problem with kent v's.If like my 810 the oring could be damaged or missing or the plastic piston under the steel piston could be the wrong way round. Failing that the gas ports in the barrel may need a clean with a pipe cleaner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr williamson Posted August 16, 2012 Report Share Posted August 16, 2012 Still think cycling has more to do with chamber and casing length my uncles browning semi won't cycle 65mm cases fine with 70mm thsts true but in my experience it wouldnt jam every cartridge maybe every 2 or 3. Sounds like somthing else at fault o rings gas ports ect. The eley firsts in 28grm 7.5s are quite punchy in a fibre wad so should cycle even in a 67mm case witch is what they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPARKIE Posted August 17, 2012 Report Share Posted August 17, 2012 eley first are black and very good in my semi but i prefur the eley olympic trap which are blue or the eley blue clay carts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webber Posted August 17, 2012 Report Share Posted August 17, 2012 Last Sunday, as a trial I shot Eley First in my top barrel and Fiocchi Top One in the bottom, both fibre wad, to see comparitivley which was the cleaner cartridge. It was a 60 bird shoot. I later asked two other shooters to compare the cleanliness of the barrels, they were not made aware of any cartridge details until after the evaluation. The top barrel (Eley First) was noticably dirtier with plenty of evidense of unburnt powder. Our conclusion was that Eley First are significantly dirtier than Fiocchi Top One. I noticed no difference in recoil, breaks etc, but I didn't do out to check these, maybe I should have. I have shot both of these cartridges through my Beretta A390 without fault from either cartridge. webber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayslayer Posted August 17, 2012 Report Share Posted August 17, 2012 Eley first are loaded to 1100 FPS at 66 feet (not muzzle) Eley olympic are loaded at 1110FPS at 66 feet (not muzzle) Eley Blues are loaded the same as Olympic In fact most eley clay cartridges are loaded at the 1100 to 1120 range VIP trap and FITASC loaded at 1140 FPS. Dont always believe what it says on the box. PRICE INDICATES BETTER COMPONENTS NOT A FASTER CARTRIDGE;' As all shot leaves the barrel as a lump of lead 9s will slow down range faster than 6 so eley set speed at 66ft so which ever name you buy will give good results Eley first are a budget cartridge but give results as good as the others in the eley range.Speed wise other more expensive cartridges may feel softer but speed wise you are not losing out. It comes down to try as many cartridges as you can and see what you and your gun are happy with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted August 17, 2012 Report Share Posted August 17, 2012 Eley first are loaded to 1100 FPS at 66 feet (not muzzle) Eley olympic are loaded at 1110FPS at 66 feet (not muzzle) Eley Blues are loaded the same as Olympic In fact most eley clay cartridges are loaded at the 1100 to 1120 range VIP trap and FITASC loaded at 1140 FPS. Dont always believe what it says on the box. PRICE INDICATES BETTER COMPONENTS NOT A FASTER CARTRIDGE;' As all shot leaves the barrel as a lump of lead 9s will slow down range faster than 6 so eley set speed at 66ft so which ever name you buy will give good results Eley first are a budget cartridge but give results as good as the others in the eley range.Speed wise other more expensive cartridges may feel softer but speed wise you are not losing out. It comes down to try as many cartridges as you can and see what you and your gun are happy with. Thanks a very informative post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super sharp shooter Posted August 17, 2012 Report Share Posted August 17, 2012 I use Ely firsts (black ones?!?) through both my semi's with no problem... plus I didn't think they were overly 'dirty'. You do have a nice semi! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
contrysports Posted August 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2012 there the black ones at 67mm but every time i shoot a few one shots i have to clean the gun because its filthy the gun is a armed sas- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
contrysports Posted August 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2012 some one told me that there is something in the gun that you can change to alter weather you shoot heavy loads or small loads is this true? if so how do you do it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted August 18, 2012 Report Share Posted August 18, 2012 Depends on the gun...... Some semis have a friction ring or reversible piston in single trigger OU and SxS the springs can be changed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
contrysports Posted August 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2012 there is a ring underneath the barrel that can come out but there isnt another one to put in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salop Matt Posted August 18, 2012 Report Share Posted August 18, 2012 Clayslayer, out of interest why then are the olympics marketed as a competion cartridge etc when the eley first being very simlar isnt ? And why do the olympics have a slightly higher price tag ? ATB Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdSolomons Posted August 19, 2012 Report Share Posted August 19, 2012 Marketing and slightly different components I'd guess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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