Yorkhawk67 Posted September 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 Ill bet it was a scary few minutes. Sorry to hear about the old guy. So Hamster I guess it's not such a far fetched scenario is it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bedwards1966 Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 I suggest that everybody stops having a go at the OP. He asked a reasonable question about what would happen to your gun certificates if this scenario happened. How likely it is for such a scenario is irrelevant. I think you would be perfectly OK to do so. It would be for self defense, which please remember extends to defending other people. If you saw a man with a gun walking down the road shooting people, you would be perfectly legal to shoot him. However, that person would not need to be shooting anyone, if you thought that the person would do that then you could shoot them, it's actually down to your perception. I can't see why it would be any different if it was a dog threatening someone, not a person. Many people may remember some time ago a situation where the police attempted to arrest someone, and they got attacked by a 'pit bull' type dog. We all saw the video, which showed the police standing round, running, and doing everything except helping their colleagues who were getting attacked. Now, I'm 100% sure that if that happened in your street now, and you pulled out a gun and shot that dog, you would not be in any trouble. While they'd probably want to tell the press that it was a police 'marksman' who did the deed, they would be very grateful that someone had saved their lives and handled the situation faster than they would have been able to. They'd be less grateful if it was an ordinary civilian on the receiving end of a dangerous dog, but I very much doubt that, provided it was done safely, you'd be in trouble for saving someone by using this method. The only way that I can think of where it might be illegal would be if it was done with a section 1 firearm, that was not conditioned for such purposes (don't forget, some people do have a condition allowing them to shoot animals for the protection of people or animals). If you did it with a gun conditioned for say target shooting, I think you could be in breech of your certificate conditions, and could be penalized for that. That's my thoughts though, it might be that under self defense you could breach the conditions on a FAC, someone will know better than me on that one. A shotgun has no such conditions attached, so I think you'd be fine with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 If you saw a man with a gun walking down the road shooting people, you would be perfectly legal to shoot him. However, that person would not need to be shooting anyone, if you thought that the person would do that then you could shoot them, it's actually down to your perception. Really......!!!!!!!! Do you think the Italics bit above would stand up in court..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 It is illegal to shoot a dog, period. By doing so you leave yourself open to a claim for damages from the owner in addition to whatever the police may say about discharging a firearm in the street. Doing so with a section 1 would be illegal. You can only shoot what your firearm is conditioned for. Mere mortals are NOT conditioned for "protection" or "self defence". In 50 years of shooting I have yet to see a S1 conditioned for " some people do have a condition allowing them to shoot animals for the protection of people or animals", other than zoo employees and the like. So the answer has to be only with a shotgun but when you appear before the judge, which you most certainly will, make sure you have instructed a rather good barrister to present your defence. Oh and don't expect to have your SGC renewed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastlincs Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 I think you'd probably loose more than your license if you shot a shotgun in a public place lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 A lot of what if's, and too much against the gun owner. But if a dog had your kid in its mouth I bet you wouldn't give a toss about your licence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apache Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 I would shoot the dog. I wouldn't be especially worried whether it was S1 or S2 (although I'd prefer a shotgun). To prosecute you would have to be in the public interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 (edited) Yorkhawk67 - I did take the time and trouble, carefully not jumping to conclusions. As you seem a little slow and clearly cannot read properly - I repeat:- You seem intent in encouraging someone to say that they would shoot the dog. Put up or shut up. If you would shoot the dog - have the courage to say so. Don't ask others the question you won't answer. Any chance of an answer? Edited September 2, 2012 by Gordon R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asa Bear Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 (edited) A lot of what if's, and too much against the gun owner. But if a dog had your kid in its mouth I bet you wouldn't give a toss about your licence. Edited September 2, 2012 by Logo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 (edited) I think in our own mind, we know what would do what we would to save a life. It is a provocative topic, which is why I am very suspicious of any newbie lighting the blue touch paper and retiring to a safe distance He does not give his own opinion, but flits in and out of the thread, stirring as he goes. I find it a little odd, as it is not really a topic which crops up on many shooting sports forums. Edited September 2, 2012 by Gordon R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkhawk67 Posted September 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 Gordon surely nobody is a thick as u seem to be. I never asked if anyone would shoot the dog I said if I ( that's me, nobody else, ME ) if you're that hard of thinking I will happily repeat it for you ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkhawk67 Posted September 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 (edited) I think in our own mind, we know what would do what we would to save a life. It is a provocative topic, which is why I am very suspicious of any newbie lighting the blue touch paper and retiring to a safe distance He does not give his own opinion, but flits in and out of the thread, stirring as he goes. I find it a little odd, as it is not really a topic which crops up on many shooting sports forums. All I did was ask a question and then certain people decided to have a go at me so I retaliated. I am new to the forum but does that really matter? It was a valid question and as such in my opinion deserved a serious answer. If you don't like the question you don't have to answer. Edited September 2, 2012 by Yorkhawk67 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 Any chance of an answer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicykillgaz Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 After hearing about some of the recent dog attacks by so called dangerous dogs it made me wonder if on your way home from say pigeon shooting or clay shooting you witnessed a dog attacking someone and inflicting a serious injury to that person and then moving on towards other members of the public would you be penalised if you shot and killed the dog. Obviousely only if it were safe to shoot the dog ie no people around it Sorry mate but you clearly use the words 'would you' 'if you' in your original post not 'would I' and 'if I' so I think it's a bit harsh to be calling people stupid as your post does suggest you want to know our reactions and possible punishments. As I've already said I don't think I could stand by idle first choice would be an opinel number 7 then the gun, if it was 2 dogs straight for the gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hillmouse Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 Hopefully never a situation you would ever actually be in. My FAC is conditioned for the destruction of animals for the protection of people and other animals. If there were to be a "real and likely possibility of a further attack resulting in injury to a person or persons" then if all other eventualities to restrain or remove the dog were not possible you may possibly plead a defence in Court. You almost certainly would have to defend this one. Likely charges would be possesing an unsecured firearm in a public place Discharging a firearm in a public place Criminal damage to property. Think I would rather not risk it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 In answer to your question 'would you be penalised if you shot and killed the dog'...well that would depend on the police and CPS and if they decided to prosecute. If I was you I'd 'phone your licensing manager and ask him/her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicykillgaz Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 'My FAC is conditioned for the destruction of animals for the protection of people and other animals. ' Just had a read of my fac it also has this condition so that's me covered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkhawk67 Posted September 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 (edited) Sorry mate but you clearly use the words 'would you' 'if you' in your original post not 'would I' and 'if I' so I think it's a bit harsh to be calling people stupid as your post does suggest you want to know our reactions and possible punishments. As I've already said I don't think I could stand by idle first choice would be an opinel number 7 then the gun, if it was 2 dogs straight for the gun. I stand corrected but if you read it it is phrased as would the person doing the shooting be penalised. Nowhere in the post did I ask if anyone would shoot the dog I asked what would happen if someone shot the dog so for someone to doggedly go after me to answer my own question that I clearly didn't ask is definitely stupid to me Edited September 2, 2012 by Yorkhawk67 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 There is no definitive answer to your question, nor can there be. Each case would be judged on its own merits. Given that no-one can give you the definitive answer - why ask the question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkhawk67 Posted September 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 (edited) Possibly because I didn't know which is why most people ask questions. Obviousely we are not all like you who knows everything Edited September 2, 2012 by Yorkhawk67 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 Kind of you to say so. :lol: :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkhawk67 Posted September 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 Just goes to show your intelligence or lack of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 Perhaps it might be beyond you to be just a little adult. I honestly wonder whether you are a shooter at all. :hmm: :hmm: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkhawk67 Posted September 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 You started with the insults mate not me. What makes you think I don't shoot ? Are you psychic too ? If it's any of your business I've just got back from a practice clay session. Just shot 300 carts does that qualify as a shooter or am I just messing about on your forum ? I'm getting bored of you to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bignoel Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 if it was a child or anyone infact being savaged and i was passing i would take my chances and save the life of who was being savaged . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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