dipper Posted September 17, 2012 Report Share Posted September 17, 2012 Went to weston park game fair yesterday didnt take tickets to stop me getting a new gun. I needed some primers and went to Norman Clark. Behind counter was a notice saying we will not sell powder without a ticket then went to claygame no notice i asked young lady could i have powder without ticket she said its a gray area wrote my name and address and phone no down and i was served. If its not law why do some people enforce it. Only ever came across this once years ago guy before me wanted to buy some 38 cal heads had no ticket so lady shop owner did not serve him.Local people will know shop owner. Dipper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted September 17, 2012 Report Share Posted September 17, 2012 You don't need a ticket for propellants or shotgun primers. There is no grey area and if people insist on production of firearms licences they are inventing legislation in an attempt to be squeaky clean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted September 17, 2012 Report Share Posted September 17, 2012 some police areas have asked this of dealers and they have agreed, i dont see it as that bad a thing personally Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted September 17, 2012 Report Share Posted September 17, 2012 some police areas have asked this of dealers and they have agreed, i dont see it as that bad a thing personally Maybe, but it's still mission creep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted September 17, 2012 Report Share Posted September 17, 2012 Maybe, but it's still mission creep. Agreed. I can never understand why shooters are quite so intent on inventing unnecessary regulations to hinder themselves with. Not to mention bending over backwards to keep the police or Home Office happy. I really can't think of any other activity or sphere of business which behaves like this. I don't ever recall hearing of, for instance, the classic car industry playing at this type of rubbish. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted September 17, 2012 Report Share Posted September 17, 2012 Maybe we should produce our driving licences to buy petrol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperfection Posted September 17, 2012 Report Share Posted September 17, 2012 Reloading powder isnt licensed and perhaps more shops need to be reminded of this! I've bought it at shows and no one has ever asked for id. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperfection Posted September 17, 2012 Report Share Posted September 17, 2012 guy before me wanted to buy some 38 cal heads had no ticket so lady shop owner did not serve him.Local people will know shop owner. On saturday i sat in my garden casting approximately 700x 357 bullets using a mould which is available to anyone with a credit card and with internet access-absolutely shocking behaviour on my behalf! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted September 17, 2012 Report Share Posted September 17, 2012 (edited) Maybe, but it's still mission creep. Thats exactly what it is, and five, ten years down the road everybody believes it. Centrefire primers started this way. , Edited September 17, 2012 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted September 18, 2012 Report Share Posted September 18, 2012 without saying too much, they aint bothered about people loading bullets - they still need primers (work it out for yourselves from that point) it for the good of all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted September 18, 2012 Report Share Posted September 18, 2012 on the other hand, would you want people buying powder and primers who are not using it for bullet applications? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperfection Posted September 18, 2012 Report Share Posted September 18, 2012 on the other hand, would you want people buying powder and primers who are not using it for bullet applications? What else would they want it for? A tub of reloading powder is less dangerous than a litre of fuel and like has already been mentioned-do you show your driving licence when you fill up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted September 18, 2012 Report Share Posted September 18, 2012 on the other hand, would you want people buying powder and primers who are not using it for bullet applications? What else would you use it for though? On the other hand, are there other applications for it? Do people use it in model rocketry or anything? If you're thinking of nefarious purposes then I still don't think there's anything really dangerous you can use it for. I'm not aware that it's ever been used in terrorism for making bombs. If the worry is that people will use it to make illegal ammo then they would still need primers which you need to show a cert for. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted September 18, 2012 Report Share Posted September 18, 2012 What else would you use it for though? On the other hand, are there other applications for it? Do people use it in model rocketry or anything? If you're thinking of nefarious purposes then I still don't think there's anything really dangerous you can use it for. I'm not aware that it's ever been used in terrorism for making bombs. If the worry is that people will use it to make illegal ammo then they would still need primers which you need to show a cert for. J. You only need a certificate to buy rifle and pistol primers, not shotgun primers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
millrace Posted September 18, 2012 Report Share Posted September 18, 2012 (edited) ahh you mainlanders you want to try and get powder etc over here, fill out form send to psni state amount and from where u wish to make purchase wait up to 2wks get letter back with copy for rfd then off you go and get what u want(if u asked for it all and dont see something else you want) stop whinging and realize how easy you have it... :yp: :yp: forgot this also applies to getting blanks for dummy launcher or startin gun!!!! Edited September 18, 2012 by millrace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted September 18, 2012 Report Share Posted September 18, 2012 Do you want me to descibe what and how it might be used on the net? just accept its not good to sell it to all and sundry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted September 18, 2012 Report Share Posted September 18, 2012 Yes but any regulation is not going to be tight enough to stop the bad guys getting their hands on what they want. All it does is creates a load of inconvenience for the good guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted September 18, 2012 Report Share Posted September 18, 2012 Yes but any regulation is not going to be tight enough to stop the bad guys getting their hands on what they want. All it does is creates a load of inconvenience for the good guys Well, precisely. The fact of the matter is that firstly, crimes comitted because people have obtained reloading components are fantastically rare. I think the only one was when David Beiber shot and killed the police officer some years back. Thereafter Parliament passed legislation saying that you cold only sell primers to people who produced a valid certificate. They could very easily have made that apply to powder as well but chose not to so why should we? Criminals will always get what they want regardless of what anyone else does. All you can really do is stop things getting into the hands of people who don't really wan't to get it to begin with. Anyone who is determined enough will manage to get, and do, exactly what they want. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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