wymberley Posted October 5, 2012 Report Share Posted October 5, 2012 I bet David delivered that one by hand on his way home! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebridges Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 No joy, unless i've missed it? Are the journ'o's still down the boozer then David BASC? You said " But today BASC has sent a letter to all local newspapers in the UK highlighting the benefits of game shooting and game meat." The BASC promised various things through it's internal investments. http://www.shootingt...o_media_HQ.html Well, i'm waiting for a bit more "action" and killer return on capital. Of course, I have no idea what individual journalists are doing, but I do know the letter went by e-mail to over 700 papers all over the UK. If it’s not in your local paper, you could always ring them up or e-mail them to ask why not? You could always let us know what they say. As to what’s being delivered by the BASC media centre, just look at the Key issues, and News sections of the BASC web site and of course, have a look at the BASC films too. We are always interested to hear from anyone who reads something in the papers or hears something on the Radio, or sees something on the TV that is pro or anti shooting; just get in touch with our press office and they will do the rest, and of course do their best. David. I am impressed that the BASC has taken the initiative and sent a "press release" to over 700 papers all over the UK. I am less impressed that only a handful ( if this thread is anything to go by) have taken a blind bit of notice in that they have not actually published anything. This press release seems nothing more than a mailshot and you'd be doing very well if you got a 1% take up. Frankly I think you are miles off the game if you are suggesting members should follow up on BASC campaigns. What exactly would you like me to ask The Editor of the Eastern Daily Press? Do you not have Regional Directors with staff? This says to me there is no thought through approach with a proper resourced follow up. The BASC has really good internal communications with members and the shooting fraternity, but it fails to properly influence the other 95% What the BASC needs to do more of is to focus on the "end game", and pack in guessing at how best to get messages out there to the wider audience. There are plenty of resources out there that can help with this and I suggest you seek council David. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted October 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2012 Thank you very much indeed for your feedback. As a membership organisation I see no harm at all in involving the members in lobbying being media or political. Lobbying by BASC AND its members collectively will surely have a greater impact – would you not agree? What would I ask my local papers if they had not printed the letter (both my local papers did by the way) – well I would have checked that they had received the letter and then asked when it was going to be published? If they said it was NOT going to be published I would ask why and then feed that back to BASC. As to our ‘end game, well it’s within our 5 key objectives – ‘Balanced comment in the media for shooting’ Admittedly this may often be reactive by the very nature of the media, but of course we will always try to be proactive as often as possible. Thanks again. Best wishes David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big bad lindz Posted October 10, 2012 Report Share Posted October 10, 2012 I do hope the press release wasn't a knee jerk reaction to our friends from the RSPB and WWT who have just released this? http://www.sciencedi...278691512006126 Try reading this and the mind bogels. I did not read it all but can we consume or ingest lead from any other food products that have not been shot. I think that statistics may tell us that we are more likley to be killed or have a life threating injury from a road accident and alcholic drinks than from eating a well shot phesant. Cheers, BBL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzypigeon Posted October 10, 2012 Report Share Posted October 10, 2012 (edited) I think that the problem we have when addressing the public is that shooting is seen as a barbaric sport now ive had a shotgun certificate since i was 11, my mrs had never been a fan of it and now although she doesnt shoot she loves working the dogs, my 2 daughters enjoy working the dogs my youngest will probably be the one out of the 3 of them that will shoot if any of them do. When i first met my Mrs and i told her and her family what my chosen past-time was they were all horrified telling me what a cruel horrible ******* B****** I was but now they will often ask me if i've been shooting and whether i have anything for them. I know that this is probably the same for most people who shoot, but they never knew what shooting was about they had just seen all the **** in the media that says we are a bunch of gun nuts who want to kill anything and everything that moves, when infact its more of a lifestyle choice, a choice of wanting to be outside enjoying yourself in good company whether that be your loyal dog(s) or in the company of like minded people having a laugh enjoying the fresh air etc This is what i believe Basc should concentrate on promoting, because as soon as joe public hear shooting and sport they dont see how shooting animals can be the same as football and rugby etc etc because of their ignorance to the way of life others have chosen to live. The image of shooting needs painting in a different way from a sport in my opinion, wildfowling is my main area of shooting and I like almost every other wildfowler ive met am not interested in shooting big bags, i enjoy being out there trying to get close enough to take 1 or 2 home for the pot. It doesnt bother me if i dont get a shot, being out at stupid o clock in the morning on my day off with my dog seeing the wildfowl wake up is a fantastic sight which many people never see in their lives and i love each time i do see it. Ive been Game shooting a couple of times and also beating but i actually prefer picking up on a game shoot. It just doesnt do anything for me but that doesnt mean i cant enjoy a day out on an estate with my dogs or having some banter while beating. Edited October 10, 2012 by fuzzypigeon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebridges Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 (edited) Thank you very much indeed for your feedback. As a membership organisation I see no harm at all in involving the members in lobbying being media or political. Lobbying by BASC AND its members collectively will surely have a greater impact – would you not agree? What would I ask my local papers if they had not printed the letter (both my local papers did by the way) – well I would have checked that they had received the letter and then asked when it was going to be published? If they said it was NOT going to be published I would ask why and then feed that back to BASC. As to our ‘end game, well it’s within our 5 key objectives – ‘Balanced comment in the media for shooting’ Admittedly this may often be reactive by the very nature of the media, but of course we will always try to be proactive as often as possible. Thanks again. Best wishes David You are welcome to my point of view. I completely and utterly disagree with your second paragraph, for the following reasons: The BASC has launched a "campaign" to get a press release out to a wider audience. This campaign is a mess and should be marked as "unsuccessful" because hardly any company it has been targeted at has printed your print. Then you have the cheek to suggest that paying BASC members such as me help bail you out of a balls up? I would put forward that not every BASC member has the wherewithal to carry out your instructions David. It is extremely dangerous to ask members to do such a thing. Is this your view? Has this been agreed at a senior level within BASC? As for your Objective no 5. well eh? In my last life evidence of hitting Objective was the bonus element in the salary package. No 1 you haven't got the message you wanted in print vrs the scale of your distribution and No 2 you've followed up the balls up with more balls. That's my opinion. If you or anyone in the BASC cares to do a little bit of homework, our local paper the Eastern Daily Press is published by Archant see: http://www.archant.co.uk/contact2.aspx The other point that may have some influence is the EDP has the largest distribution for a local paper in Britain and the area it covers has the largest number of shotgun and firearms license holders in the UK. East Anglian's are also pro shooting and eat a lot of game. I would have thought this was an ideal target market for your message(s)? One more point David. Do not ever post such nonsense as BASC blitzes local papers because your post implies you have an important messages out there where in actual fact you haven't. It's a failure. Try again please. Edited October 11, 2012 by Whitebridges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted October 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 I cannot see why you are saying it would be dangerous for BASC members, who are so minded, to actively help and support BASC campaigns –many members have done so in the past, so perhaps you would be kind enough to explain why you said this? You are very quick to criticise, and I certainly welcome constructive criticism, so what is your suggestion going forward? Try and be constructive, please David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett1985 Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 No offence whitebridges, but i think you need to wind your neck in a little. Taking the stance of "i've paid my monies, now i'll let basc do all the legwork" is all well and good, but ultimately, every single shooter in the country should be doing something to help ensure the future of our heritage of shooting. Sorry if i have misunderstood what you were getting at, but as far as im concerned, the basc and countryside alliance both do a cracking job... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asa Bear Posted October 12, 2012 Report Share Posted October 12, 2012 Taking the stance of "i've paid my monies, now i'll let basc do all the legwork" is all well and good, but ultimately, every single shooter in the country should be doing something to help ensure the future of our heritage of shooting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted October 12, 2012 Report Share Posted October 12, 2012 Exmouth, Topsham and Budleigh Salterton Journal; mafish, niet and zilch. Ah, that explains it! Just got this week's and still nothing, but then I read it. Seems we're "common criminals" according to Plonker Whitehead from the RSPB. It seems Devon was the worst place in England for bird crime in 2011 with 15 cases reported. In 22 years, never seen the like he indicates. "Although it's natural to speculate on who might carry out such attacks......... "; he says. Anyone have any idea in which direction he's pointing that little barb? If the paper is happy to pick up on that press release, then we have no chance. It wouldn't take much energy to get angry with these people. Now, I'm not saying that BASC is wasting money but we must spend some on projects which while worthwhile are not essential. Is it possibly not time that we took a leaf out of the RSPB book and put a 5 year moratorium on non essential expenditure and made a determined effort to show Joe Public that they're far from the saints that they delight in presenting themselves as such. We could have a word with the CA and they could do the same to the WWT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted October 12, 2012 Report Share Posted October 12, 2012 I'm all for a bit of subterfuge(is that the word I'm looking for?)We could start with the destruction of dogs by the RSPCA,the killing of deer by LACS,on their 'sanctuaries',and the fact that the RSPB kills foxes on some of its land....to protect birds of all things!I don't mind standing next to someone from the RSPB with a collection tin and telling the cat loving blue-rinse club a few home truths (upset a couple of primary school teachers with this one some years ago actually....felt a right **** afterwards,and even other half had a pop at me!)and anyone else who cares to listen.Get a nationwide concerted effort off the ground and count me in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamiedenny Posted October 12, 2012 Report Share Posted October 12, 2012 (edited) there has been some good points on here. having run a production company and large marketing campaigns its a shame that the basc approach seems very amature. having your piece in an industry press is easy, they relish the opportunity to gain editorial, even local papers will print a cup cake sale in my front garden. imo sending letters / emails is an outdated and un effective way of gaining column inches. i would of spent much less than the total cost of stamps by picking up the phone; mail drops will get you a 1% return but most local rags will run a piece if youinvite a photographer to a local place (butchers maybe) and give them a back story. unfortunately the industry also has this fear that we must back everythung up with fact. local venison can aid the local economy....yada,yada. local venison tastes amazing, use this recipe in your own come dine with me between friends. which was easier to read?. its ok to be proud, to do it because its fun.it will always be near impossible to get famous media figure heads when the sports are viewed i such a poor way. the oppinion can only be changed from the inside out.please excuse all the typos, im using a samsung tab and life is too short to correct all the mistakes this thing makes. Edited October 12, 2012 by jamiedenny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asa Bear Posted October 13, 2012 Report Share Posted October 13, 2012 It hadn't appeared in my local rag so I fired off a friendly email. I received a reply yesterday so anybody in the Coventry area get a Telegraph today. Hi Neil, Thank you for your email. We did receive your letter and we will be running it in tomorrow's paper. Ideally we would have run it sooner but we have had a healthy supply of letters, which we have tried to use, where possible, in order of the date we have received them. In any event, priority is always given to letters by local readers, but we aim to use all letters by charities and other organisations, and yours will be published tomorrow. Kind regards, Alan Harris Letters Editor Coventry Telegraph 02476 500314 ******************** IMPORTANT NOTICE This email (including any attachments) is meant only for the intended recipient. It may also contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, any reliance on, use, disclosure, distribution or copying of this email or attachments is strictly prohibited. Please notify the sender immediately by email if you have received this message by mistake and delete the email and all attachments. Any views or opinions in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Trinity Mirror PLC or its associated group companies (hereinafter referred to as "TM Group"). TM Group accept no liability for the content of this email, or for the consequences of any actions taken on the basis of the information provided, unless that information is subsequently confirmed in writing. Although every reasonable effort is made to keep its network free from viruses, TM Group accept no liability for any virus transmitted by this email or any attachments and the recipient should use up-to-date virus checking software. Email to or from this address may be subject to interception or monitoring for operational reasons or for lawful business practices. Trinity Mirror PLC is the parent company of the Trinity Mirror group of companies and is registered in England No 82548, with its address at One Canada Square, Canary Wharf, London E14 5AP. ******************** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebridges Posted October 16, 2012 Report Share Posted October 16, 2012 No offence whitebridges, but i think you need to wind your neck in a little. Taking the stance of "i've paid my monies, now i'll let basc do all the legwork" is all well and good, but ultimately, every single shooter in the country should be doing something to help ensure the future of our heritage of shooting. Sorry if i have misunderstood what you were getting at, but as far as im concerned, the basc and countryside alliance both do a cracking job... Offence taken, I am very pro BASC. Don't be such a ****, read what is before you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebridges Posted October 16, 2012 Report Share Posted October 16, 2012 (edited) I cannot see why you are saying it would be dangerous for BASC members, who are so minded, to actively help and support BASC campaigns –many members have done so in the past, so perhaps you would be kind enough to explain why you said this? You are very quick to criticise, and I certainly welcome constructive criticism, so what is your suggestion going forward? Try and be constructive, please David I get very annoyed when the BASC kick off a "campaign" or whatever you call it when I can't actually see: 1) Whether the campaign has been a hit or a miss. 2) Whether I and others who are members are supposed to drop everything and bail the BASC out of the **** 3) There is no communications to members to inform members about campaigns requesting support. 4) I have no idea how the activity of this press release actually supports BASC's mission. Letting anybody ( in this case BASC members) canvas support in media is very very dangerous. In days gone by when I used to work for PLC's no one bar no one would be allow to speak with the press or agents. Do you know why David? I'll tell you. Because the WRONG MESSAGES got out...........No way in a million years should members be talking to the media UNLESS they are properly briefed and prepared. Thank you. Maybe I have an eye for detail David. I'm also a Director of a successful company and i'm saying again the BASC needs to shape up and get proper measurable benefits out of it's campaign's. At the moment from where i'm sitting you are not making use of that expensive communications centre of yours. I hope you are more constructive in your next reply sir. Edited October 16, 2012 by Whitebridges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted October 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2012 Dear Whitebridges Thank you very much indeed, I take your points and thank you for your candour, I fully understand where you are coming from. However, I have not ever suggested members ‘drop everything’ , nor did I ever ask members to make statements to the press for all the very valid reasons you say. I simply say again that together we can deliver more than any one alone and as we have seen by the kind action of Logo a simple contact as I suggested has bought dividends, and I certainly thank Logo for that kind help. Going forward, Whitebridges, perhaps you will stand for BASC Council in the future, and bring your business skills, commitment and passion to help BASC further Regards to all David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebridges Posted October 16, 2012 Report Share Posted October 16, 2012 David, I enjoy being a member of the BASC, it's a great organisation and I encourage everyone i meet who shoots to join. Work in progress is a good summary. The upper echelons of your conservation role are not for me. I'll help where I can because I genuinely care, just drop me a line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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