storme37 Posted October 1, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 he had a personal assistant for 40 years who swears blind if he had done any of these things she would have known. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeonblasterian Posted October 1, 2012 Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 It could be that the guilt or maybe the shame if that is the wrong word why these people have not said anything until now.We do not know what Savile said to them to make them say nothing until now. It may be that now Savile is no longer with us that some of the abused feel that they can now speak out. I hope they get some relief for what they suffered as i always thought that Savile was too good to be true. My personal opinion is that he was a child molester and any child molester needs outing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted October 2, 2012 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 There was always something "not quite right " with him , though it is plain to see how much he did for charity . The fact is that if this all turns out to be true then those affected should have spoke out earlier to A make sure it did not happen to anyone else and B to ensure he was punished for any crimes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amateur Posted October 2, 2012 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 Oh well! The Mail has convicted him http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2211463/Jimmy-Savile-As-pressure-grows-BBC-cover-women-come-forward-ordeals.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted October 2, 2012 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 There was always something "not quite right " with him , though it is plain to see how much he did for charity . The fact is that if this all turns out to be true then those affected should have spoke out earlier to A make sure it did not happen to anyone else and B to ensure he was punished for any crimes. easy to say when it wasn't you, we had an issue at the school I went to with a former headmaster. The rumours abounded everyone knew he had done unmentionables but he had to leave before one spoke out and once he did then the floodgates opened. Seems like that is the case here and it will do no good at all, he is dead they should just be glad of it. Things have changed a lot in the time since the offences happened years back you wouldn't be believed as easily as now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperfection Posted October 2, 2012 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 Still dont think any of these allegations are true despite the Mail waving the hand of justice once again. If these stories are true why wait until he's dead.You cannot get any emotional closure so surely it would be best to do it when he's alive.It wont suprise me if these people try to sue the Beeb for 'covering up' for him.They probably see it as easy money when he cannot defend himself eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeonblasterian Posted October 2, 2012 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 http://merovee.wordp...my-savile-dead/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted October 2, 2012 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 Agree Al4x, we had a music master who was obviously a pervert. I was big for my age and walloped him once then went to the headmaster. Nothing was done so the message was clear to me. Shortly after i left school, i visited him at home.. I really do not know about Jimmy, no smoke without fire but why so long?. On saying that, look at Gary Glitter. No idea until it all came out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philscreens Posted October 2, 2012 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 ,Jimmy Saville did many things for charities and lots of other good causes, and he really was remarkable in that respect,but seeing the people who are now voicing their concerns Paul Gambaccini, Esther Ranson nurses from Stoke Mandeville etc there seems to be a growing feeling that there are questions to asked. Irespective of whether it was in the "Mail" I personally think he was a bit of a weirdo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegasus bridge Posted October 2, 2012 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 at a stretch, i could imagine that you might find one person who would sink so low as to completley make it up, but not 5 - no smoke without fire for me, i think he probably was a 'wrong un'.....like michael jackson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted October 2, 2012 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 (edited) Remember when it came out about Gary Glitter - came out of nowhere, but ultimately the allegations were true and weighty... notwithstanding the passage of time. Jimmy ain't about to defend himself and whilst that may not be fair, it can be part of the abuse - Sir Jimmy the marathan running good bloke is / was kevlar. Edited October 2, 2012 by Mungler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
storme37 Posted October 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 (edited) talking of gary it seems jim and gary were close http://www.independe...an-8194851.html im just amazed the paparazzi never got him they get everyone else. Edited October 3, 2012 by storme37 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeonblasterian Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 He was matey with the well known child porn downloader Jonathan King as well.How`s about that then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
storme37 Posted October 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 i didnt want to believe this but so many people seem to be speaking up its looking bad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 talking of gary it seems jim and gary were close http://www.independe...an-8194851.html im just amazed the paparazzi never got him they get everyone else. simply the time he was really active was before the paparazzi were really active, pre internet these weirdos had a really free reign when you look at the number of circles he is supposed to have been active in its hard to believe none were true. Couple that with people in their 50's and 60's coming forward they aren't the usual age to make it all up in the hope of fame and fortune. A lot more will come out it won't do any good its all in the past but just shows how shocking some of the childrens homes and people involved with looking after the children were Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 (edited) If he was still alive and the allegations (which, in all probability, are probably true to some degree or another... there's no smoke without fire and let's face it... there's a **** load of smoke!) were proven, then yep... hang him out to dry.. BUT.... irrespective of whether true or not, proven or not etc.. all this does now is hurt many more people.. Saville cannot be taken to task, his alleged victims, other than getting a public airing and possibly feeling some minor victory, will not go back in time or have what he allegedly did struck from memory... nothing will change.. What will happen though is the general public will be so appalled, the donations to the charities set up or patronised by JS will significantly reduce or dry up altogether and let's face it, most if not all are aimed at helping sick or vulnerable children, hypocritical that maybe under the circumstances but kids none the less... So... who is worse in all this.. The dead bloke who allegedly abused kids (that can no longer be changed) or the persons/TV company who are now about make a small fortune in increased advertising and/or publicity revenues by airing a show that doesn't change anything but will harm possibly even contribute to the deaths of many children.. I'm sure ex detective inspector whatshisname will no doubt make a mint when he publishes his book! Taking a step back and given the overall situation as it stands, I know who I see as worse.... Sensationalism and money seem to come before compassion and sensibility every time in this twisted world we live in! Edited October 3, 2012 by Vipa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
storme37 Posted October 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 i must admit im not sure theres much point in bringing it up after his death as the charitys he ran will pay the price so theres no winners Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 I don't necessarily agree I think it will bring extra pr to the charities and they may well see donations increase. His involvement can't change what they do now with him being dead so I can't see people stopping supporting them. As for it coming out into the open well those who protected him and helped deserve a good kicking and its on the way. Bet there are some crisis management meetings going on at the beeb for one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeonblasterian Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 He used his charity work and his fame as a cover to prey on young and vulnerable children.He was a paedophile and he got away with it for years. How many of his mates do you think are now having ring twitters in case the police really start investigating the claims. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
storme37 Posted October 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 (edited) the sword of damocles hangs over many heads in the media as well as government, think the obe will be taken away if this turns out to be true Edited October 3, 2012 by storme37 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 The focus here should be on the victims and not the perpetrator. IF the allegations are true then the victims need to be looked after, properly, and anyone who is found to have encouraged them to keep their gobs shut should be publicly humiliated. There are far too many situations where a certain mentality will say 'let sleeping dogs lie,' which in my opinion is the worst kind of selfish, head-in-the-sand behaviour and not only totally ignores the victims it also perpetuates this type of thing. Stiff upper lip has a very dark side too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 (edited) The focus here should be on the victims and not the perpetrator. IF the allegations are true then the victims need to be looked after, properly, and anyone who is found to have encouraged them to keep their gobs shut should be publicly humiliated. There are far too many situations where a certain mentality will say 'let sleeping dogs lie,' which in my opinion is the worst kind of selfish, head-in-the-sand behaviour and not only totally ignores the victims it also perpetuates this type of thing. Stiff upper lip has a very dark side too. It's not a question of 'let sleeping dogs lie' and I agree with you regarding the victims and those possibly complicit in any wrongdoing but this is a slightly unusual case on many levels... The allegations and rumours have been around for decades.. why wait until he's dead, there is no new 'hard evidence' as such so why wasn't he persued with more vigour years ago... The collegues and new alleged victims coming out of the woodwork are still only offering heresay and circumstantial evidence.... and probably getting paid for it... If this does need an airing and those complicit brought to bear, then let it be done in court (if there is enough evidence) and not on primetime TV where the only real motivational factors are money and ratings This case and the way it is being publicised will end up being a witch hunt and will potentially leave many more, far more needy and vulnerable 'victims' in it's wake.. I just don't think the benefits to society outweigh the ultimate financial and human cost! Edited October 3, 2012 by Vipa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 It's not a question of 'let sleeping dogs lie' and I agree with you regarding the victims and those possibly complicit in any wrongdoing but this is a slightly unusual case on many levels... The allegations and rumours have been around for decades.. why wait until he's dead, there is no new 'hard evidence' as such so why wasn't he persued with more vigour years ago... The collegues and new alleged victims coming out of the woodwork are still only offering heresay and circumstantial evidence.... and probably getting paid for it... If this does need an airing and those complicit brought to bear, then let it be done in court (if there is enough evidence) and not on primetime TV where the only real motivational factors are money and ratings This case and the way it is being publicised will end up being a witch hunt and will potentially leave many more, far more needy and vulnerable 'victims' in it's wake.. I just don't think the benefits to society are worth the ultimate financial and human cost! ****** society and ****** witch hunts. There has been far too much looking the other way in human history. What if it was your daughter? Your wife? Being a victim of abuse is a complex thing and often people don't react the way others think they should. Easy to pass judgment from an armchair, as with so many things. If the victims have media attention and that results in being paid it should not diminish their victimhood. A bad business. I agree it should be done through the proper channels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 What if it was your daughter? Your wife? A bad business. I agree it should be done through the proper channels. And this is my point.... my wife met JS when she was a kid perhaps she should approach the press with a story? With no way of refuting allegations, I wonder what proportion of the new 'victims' coming forward are genuine... A court will look at evidence and find for the victim if the evidence stacks up... the Media will pay for a victims story as long as it is 'relevant,' 'of the moment' and 'unlikely to drop them in the ****!' I'm not saying we should simply look away but sometime, just sometimes... certain actions cause FAR more harm than good and I just feel that this is one of them... What if it was my wife or daughter? what if it was your daughter being refused life saving surgery at Stoke Mandeville because there were not enough beds due to donations dissapearing! We need to look to the future not the past... we can only have an impact on one of them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
storme37 Posted October 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 This case and the way it is being publicised will end up being a witch hunt and will potentially leave many more, far more needy and vulnerable 'victims' in it's wake.. the other side of the coin is it may dig up more famous paedos !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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