cockercas Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 I'm a betting man alex. I hate high mag with passion. 12x is more than enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAG1 Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 I started with a S&B 8x56 on my 22-250,Then got a S&B 2-5-10x56 Now im on a S&B 4-16x50.Still got all the scopes but the 4-16 is on the 22-250 mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackbart Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 Now there is a reasoned argument why do you keep making things up about me you have nil knoledge of how many foxes i have shot, snared etc over the years. Not many i would guess... But then again you may be the greatest hunter that ever lived. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackbart Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 I'm a betting man alex. I hate high mag with passion. 12x is more than enough. Are you not just shooting AT a fox on 12x @ 328 yards ? On 24x you can still shoot at kill zone @ 300 yards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harryrab Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 Zeiss Duralyt 3-12x50...absolutely amazing at dawn and dusk, amazing visibility! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockercas Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 Considering I've missed 1 out of over 50 this year and quite a few have been 300m or over I'd say not just shooting at them. The one I missed was sub 100m. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackbart Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 Considering I've missed 1 out of over 50 this year and quite a few have been 300m or over I'd say not just shooting at them. The one I missed was sub 100m. OK so you reckon you can hit a coconut say 7 times out of 7 at 328 yards with only 12x mag !! Really... That seems a bit optimistic to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockercas Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 Probably. Under the lamp aswell. The last fox I shot was just over 300m. Only its head visable looking over the bank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 Well I'd say I shoot a lot of foxes and I shoot the magical 300meter foxes to under the lamp. I use 12x mag. And the last one I shot, when I looked at the scope was surprised that I'd wound it up to 18x. Yo may need a large FOV to acquire a target but once done you can have it as narrow as you like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 And the last one I shot, when I looked at the scope was surprised that I'd wound it up to 18x. Yo may need a large FOV to acquire a target but once done you can have it as narrow as you like. amen, and the reason you wound it up that far was because you could, funny the mention of 12x as that is at the maximum magnification if it was that great why not shoot everything at 6x and the simple answer is because the target is tiny at 300 yards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamie g Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 (edited) Fixed mag scopes are good. Would I have one on a foxing or longer range deer rifle? No I wouldn't imo there good for shooting deer from high seat or woodland stalking. I much prefer a bit more mag for foxing. Good thing with high mag scopes. You can set them high or low. you Cant do that with fixed mag its nice to have the choice I say Edited December 5, 2012 by jamie g Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockercas Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 I've 12x mag on all my cf scopes. 4x on rimfire and 3x on air rifle. I've shot rifles with scopes with high mag, they get turned down to 12x. I've no need for a scope with high mag. Your talking some **** alex. Just because it dosent work for you dosent mean it dosent work for others. @300m you can still see an inch bull on a target. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 Indeed Cocker but you are the only foxer other than Kent who I don't think shoots many who I know who doesn't like to be able to use decent magnification. Its there if you want it on some scopes but you don't have to use it, I know 5 people myself included who started with an 8x56 and sold it on as they wanted more for foxing you only have to see how many come up for sale to see most people move onto a variable. The OP currently uses one with more magnification taking a backward step just means odds are he will be buying a scope and finding he wants more. It is a personal thing though some like shooting at low mag I will always start low but it is often over 12 on rangey shots or where I can't see much of the fox. Vice versa sometimes it will be on 5 or 6 if they are very close its good to have the versatility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockercas Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 12x mag if 50% more than your 8xmag you got rid of. Just got to ask yourself tho. I don't bat an eyelid at shooting a fox @300m yet you seem to struggle shooting one at 300y with more mag. Maybe you need the extra mag to compensate for something else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 possibly who knows what I do know is I'm far from alone in liking a decent amount for foxing as it would appear from the few people on here who do shoot a decent number. If you have it why not use it, with a decent scope it just makes things easier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 OK so you reckon you can hit a coconut say 7 times out of 7 at 328 yards with only 12x mag !! Really... That seems a bit optimistic to me. I can do that with less than 12x. i have seen many a TR rifle with open sights do much better still at double that range and more. The Marine snipers in Vietnam (during Hathcocks period) used the fixed 8x Unerti, today the dedicated marksman in the same regiment uses a fixed 10x Leupold. Ok for serious long range work the magnification rises but the oft quoted 300yds is well do able with 6-7-8x fixed mag ( 8x at 300yds is like looking at a 37.5 yds fox) Now if you cannot see that you need an eye test not a higher mag.For pitys sake many of us cut our shooting teeth shooting rats with air rifle and open sights at not too much less than that I strongly suspect this high mag thing contains quite a lot of "mines bigger than yours" more than hard fact and more mental than physical. In competition high mags are usefull for watching down range wind and mirage, even fall of shot but in the field.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackbart Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 I can do that with less than 12x. i have seen many a TR rifle with open sights do much better still at double that range and more. The Marine snipers in Vietnam (during Hathcocks period) used the fixed 8x Unerti, today the dedicated marksman in the same regiment uses a fixed 10x Leupold. Ok for serious long range work the magnification rises but the oft quoted 300yds is well do able with 6-7-8x fixed mag ( 8x at 300yds is like looking at a 37.5 yds fox) Now if you cannot see that you need an eye test not a higher mag.For pitys sake many of us cut our shooting teeth shooting rats with air rifle and open sights at not too much less than that I strongly suspect this high mag thing contains quite a lot of "mines bigger than yours" more than hard fact and more mental than physical. In competition high mags are usefull for watching down range wind and mirage, even fall of shot but in the field.......... You are funny Does ALL of your knowledge come from things you read on the internet ? Have you ever seen a fox that is 300 yards away at night in the beam of a lamp ? I have shot more than most people and there isnt much of a target at 300 yards,so i would rather not send bullets in its general direction and be a bit more precise than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 This is exactly why scopes, magnification and reticles are so personal, I'm not understanding why people are foisting their opinion/usage on others, I seldom use more than 6x in the field and I have also used 6x at 600 yards on the range. Ok, most of my shooting is under 200 yards in the field and it's VERY rare I would go past 300 yards, just the same, if I ever crank it up to 8x or 10x Mag that is all I need, day or night. If you guys want to use 12-18-24-30x Mag then its fine with me but I don't understand why some are suggesting everyone needs to and are criticising those that don't! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackbart Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 This is exactly why scopes, magnification and reticles are so personal, I'm not understanding why people are foisting their opinion/usage on others, I seldom use more than 6x in the field and I have also used 6x at 600 yards on the range. Ok, most of my shooting is under 200 yards in the field and it's VERY rare I would go past 300 yards, just the same, if I ever crank it up to 8x or 10x Mag that is all I need, day or night. If you guys want to use 12-18-24-30x Mag then its fine with me but I don't understand why some are suggesting everyone needs to and are criticising those that don't! Your right Dek,it is a personal thing but do you not find at the ranges stated the crosshairs would obscure a fox never mind be able to focus on it's chest ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 You are funny Does ALL of your knowledge come from things you read on the internet ? Have you ever seen a fox that is 300 yards away at night in the beam of a lamp ? I have shot more than most people and there isnt much of a target at 300 yards,so i would rather not send bullets in its general direction and be a bit more precise than that. why not come up with an argument for higher mag thats convincing instead of just being plain rude. No my knoledge dont all come from the internet- how the heck can i prove that? do you wish to see my Level 2 cert passed almost a decade ago? I have already stated i am willing to take the stupid coconut test. How the heck do you know you have shot more than "most" people if you realy have i thought you might be able to come up with a few concreate facts and a more convincing argument in what should be a debate not a childish tiff You just cant win but remember for every finger you point out there are maybee two pointing back at you. To make it clear and i have stated this before I think 300 yds is too far on the lamp for safe and precise shooting, ranges are never definate, you cant see the wind or always identify the nature of the backdrop. In daylight i have shot much further out than 300yds though and it didn't take large amounts of magnification to do it either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 Your right Dek,it is a personal thing but do you not find at the ranges stated the crosshairs would obscure a fox never mind be able to focus on it's chest ? My scopes, magnification and reticles do me just fine or I would use something else! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet boy Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 Guys why on earth do threads like this turn into an argument? Just give good advice which the OP has asked for and be done with it! ATB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 Guys why on earth do threads like this turn into an argument? Its because most recommend what they have got or used so you get a variety of views and differing amounts of experience. I do wonder though how many would give the same advice or choose the same recommendation if they were to be given any scope they wanted. I know what I'd have money no object but in real life its always a compromise with budget and you buy according to your own budget. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockercas Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 Blackbart. I don't know what retical your using but 300m rabbiting the crosshairs don't cover the rabbit. And I can can shoot them very conststantly. Even under the lamp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamie g Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 (edited) now now ladys lets not spoil the thread and turn it into a **** swinging contest Edited December 5, 2012 by jamie g Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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