evo Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 Why don't you answer my question , do you think section 1 semi-auto shotguns and .22 rifles be banned. As you don't see the need for a firearm to have a capacity of over three rounds. ? firstly I don't class a .22rf as a high power rifle on the second point why the need for a shotgun to have 5 carts in it, 3 in my opinion is ample so I see NO NEED for a shotgun to carry 5 or more, after 40yrs of shooting wildfowl pigeons etc I have never come across anytime where I have needed more than three shots atb Evo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 (edited) why would anyone want a .44 magnum then. for hunting I know a guy that has one for long range target shooting, Who are you to say he shouldn't have one. And I will repeat myself hunting with handguns in illegal in the UK. Because they enjoy shooting them and taking part in competitions. Just like people like shooting clay pigeons. to BRAG they have one. Where are you getting this bragging from . Do you brag about your firearms.? firstly I don't class a .22rf as a high power rifle on the second point why the need for a shotgun to have 5 carts in it, 3 in my opinion is ample so I see NO NEED for a shotgun to carry 5 or more, after 40yrs of shooting wildfowl pigeons etc I have never come across anytime where I have needed more than three shots atb Evo People use sec 1 shotgun with extended magazines for competition, do you think they shouldn't be allowed. ? PS It doesn't really matter to me as handguns are legal here , but I will back other shooters that to try and get them back in the rest of the UK. Edited February 9, 2014 by ordnance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evo Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 I know a guy that has one for long range target shooting, Who are you to say he shouldn't have one. And I will repeat myself hunting with handguns in illegal in the UK. Because they enjoy shooting them and taking part in competitions. Where are you getting this bragging from . Do you brag about your firearms.? People use sec 1 shotgun with extended magazines for competition, do you think they shouldn't be allowed. ? its not for me to make laws , I just cant see the reasoning behind high power large calibre firearms that shoot silly amounts of bullets ATB Evo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 (edited) ( the only reason I can see anyone wanting one of those and or the likes is so as to be the mr big " look what I,ve got brigade") ( WHY other than to BRAG owning one.) If you are not going to answer my question ( Where are you getting this bragging from . Do you brag about your firearms.?) just say so. And back up your earlier posts above with some facts or examples. Edited February 9, 2014 by ordnance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evo Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 If you are not going to answer my question ( Where are you getting this bragging from . Do you brag about your firearms.?) just say so. And back up your earlier posts above with some facts or examples. what firearms are these that your saying I have I have seen and also heard people bragging about what they have,, I have nothing to back up ,,I have asked two questions and as yet no-one has answered them,not even you stop trying to get this into a personal calling thread,just a simple answer would suffice, I,m getting tired of repeating myself now so I will leave the ball in your court to answer my original two questions cheers Evo I have asked two questions and even You cant asnswer them so I,ll leave it there cheers Evo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpentermark Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 (edited) can I just ask this simple questions,,, 1,,,,why do we need high power rifles capable of shooting more than 3 bullets 2,,,,why do we need high power pistols capable of shooting more than 3 bullets just thought I would ask as I personally cannot see any need for them,, yes if they where single shot or two but automatics and semi autos WHY is it because the owner is too lazy to put another round in ?, for the life of me I just cannot see the need for ANY semi or automatic high power rifles, have to say I feel for those who did the pistol shooting as my father did but high power pistols , do we really have a need for them, I personally think the semi autos and automatics should solely be left for the armed forces not for joe blogs with a FAC, ok my tin hat is on for the barrage of abuse , I am not against these calibres I just don't think there is a need for them other than in a war situation atb Evo ps please correct me if I,m wrong You are wrong! So here's the correction you requested: The simple answer to your questions are: 1. We don't! 2. We don't! What i mean is, you are constantly asking why we NEED these things and the answer is that we don't NEED any firearms! I own 4 shotguns and an air rifle and i don't NEED any of them. I choose to have them for my sport/ hobby and that should be the same for any type of firearm in this country including hp pistols, semi auto rifles etc. as long as you are legally able to own you should have the Right to choose! There used to be a saying i heard a lot as a kid, when someone said i.e. "you cant do that"! The reply would be "why not? ITS A FREE COUNTRY"! I haven't heard that for a while and i know why........... Because it isn't true anymore. The government are taking away more and more of our choices and with attitudes like yours we soon wont have any left! Edited February 10, 2014 by carpentermark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 firstly I don't class a .22rf as a high power rifle on the second point why the need for a shotgun to have 5 carts in it, 3 in my opinion is ample so I see NO NEED for a shotgun to carry 5 or more, after 40yrs of shooting wildfowl pigeons etc I have never come across anytime where I have needed more than three shots atb Evo .22 rf is high powered enough to do the job and has been used by the military in covert operations for generations whether you regard it as high powered or not. It's certainly high powered enough to do the job. There is no need for anyone to own a shotgun with a high capacity shotgun, but again, it comes down to personal choice. Practical shotgunners choose such shotguns because they have the freedom of choice to do so. They don't need a magazine capacity of 10 plus rounds, but the choice is there if they want it. You chose a 12 bore sxs shotgun because you have the freedom of choice to do so, I chose a high powered cf rifle with a magazine capacity of 5 rounds not because I needed one but because I have the freedom to do so. I have never needed to use all 5 shots in my magazine, but does that mean it should be restricted to 2, or 1? Are you suggesting that simply because you have never needed more than 3 shots everyone else should do likewise? I didn't need any of the handguns I owned, but the decision to own them was mine, as I had the freedom to choose. I no longer have that choice. There are millions of people in this country who, given the choice to own firearms, would choose not to, but the choice is theirs. Not having the freedom to choose, but being dictated to as to what I can and can't have, simply for the sake of politics, is to say the least, a bit annoying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evo Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 carpentermark and scully,,,,,,,,at last,,,,,,,, thanks for answering my questions the both of you, I can now sit back, have a cup of tea and sit with an open mind now as you have both explained the reasons for owning/ trying to get back some things that have been taken away from shooters, as said I asked these two questions as I could not understand WHY people would want some of these WILD yet wonderful rifles and pistols back, I am against having things taken away from us (guns) but didn,t expect the replies I got just because I was unsure about the " what do we want them for anyway" "need them" thoughts, my father shot all sorts of discipline,s since the 1940,s and was the one who introduced me into the sport and even HE could not understand why people felt the NEED to own or have some of the guns that where available then, I am all for backing shooting 100% but before I sign anything it is nice to have the reasons for keeping these rifles and pistols available, thanks again for the positive answers both of you, ordnance there is no need for you to spit your dummy out now,,,, my questions have been answered in a proper manner without the need for nit picking , counter questioning,and the likes, so I,ve no need to ask the questions I have asked anymore as the two gentlemen carpentermark and scully have explained in simple English Why we would like the calibre,s back, you can calm down now,have a brew(tea/coffee) and a nice slice of toast and put your feet up and relax with your sunday sport :lol: atb Evo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steppenwolf Posted February 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 now please note, I,m not having a go , I,m merely asking why is there a need for them as I cannot see any reasonable reason WHY other than to BRAG owning one atb Evo You have something because you want it not because you need it. Does that answer your question. It's nobody's business why I want it, as long as I am not a criminal and haven't done lengthy prison sentences why shouldn't anyone be allowed to own one? You ignored completely a poster who said you can use these rifles and pistols for IPSC (practical shooting). It is a worldwide recognized sport with many disciplines. It's pretty hard using a gun with only 3 shots in this discipline, since most courses of fire have at least 6-32 plates/paper targets that need to be shot in FAST sucession. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steppenwolf Posted February 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 I don't have any motives,, I,m asking 2 simple questions, why the need for automatic high power rifles except in the armed forces These comments show your ignorance. What would you class as a high powered rifle? We cannot own automatic rifles in the Uk, I don't see why not, I mean from my experience semi-automatic is more dangerous, automatic is nice at wasting ammunition. How about it should be my right to own thse sort of rifles? I don't need them I just want them eh? Does that answer your question? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livefast123 Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 (edited) I use my Rossi 92 .44 Magnum for gallery rifle competitions and hunting. I have great fun shooting 6 to 10 targets against the clock and not having to stop and reload my 3 round magazine. I also like loading the ammunition to my quality standard and not relying on sometimes sparse and dodgy factory ammo. I can make a paper puncher, a rabbit wrecker or a bear basher just by varying my componants. There is no such thing as a high power rifle, shotgun or pistol. All have the power to limit your life and should be treated as such Edited February 10, 2014 by Livefast123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evo Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 These comments show your ignorance. What would you class as a high powered rifle? We cannot own automatic rifles in the Uk, I don't see why not, I mean from my experience semi-automatic is more dangerous, automatic is nice at wasting ammunition. How about it should be my right to own thse sort of rifles? I don't need them I just want them eh? Does that answer your question? Steppenwolf, I see you have now decided to jump on the "give me loads band wagon" do me a favour,,,,, you can only be ignorant when you know about the thing, the reason I asked the two questions was because I didn,t know,, why do you now feel the need to call me ignorant I simply asked two questions which were NOT explained, why did you not come into the thread and explain to me at an earlier point instead of waiting until you thought the time was right ,,and then have the cheek to call me ignorant,,that is one thing I,m not matey, I simply asked two questions which I did not know the answers too any YOU like ordnance have decided to turn this decent thread into an Evo slagging thread,, is there really any need, ignorant ,,,you must be joking,, just because I didn,t know something does not mean I,m ignorant, just because I asked two questions does not mean I,m ignorant, I was actually inquisitive as to WHY sign a petition for something we don't NEED (as I originally thought) or WANT to use another word, so lets behave eh not everyone on this forum knows everything about the different shooting discipline ,s as such a smartarse like you does, it was the reason I asked the questions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evo Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 I use my Rossi 92 .44 Magnum for gallery rifle competitions and hunting. I have great fun shooting 6 to 10 targets against the clock and not having to stop and reload my 3 round magazine. I also like loading the ammunition to my quality standard and not relying on sometimes sparse and dodgy factory ammo. I can make a paper puncher, a rabbit wrecker or a bear basher just by varying my componants. There is no such thing as a high power rifle, shotgun or pistol. All have the power to limit your life and should be treated as such thanks for that livefast, as I,ve said I don't know all the shooting discipline,s and its nice to hear it from someone who does, cheers for that . I am now seeing why there is so much hurt having these things taken away but because I have never been involved in that side of shooting I did not understand what all the fuss was about, thanks for explaining atb Evo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 (edited) ordnance there is no need for you to spit your dummy out now,,,, my questions have been answered in a proper manner without the need for nit picking , counter questioning,and the likes, so I,ve no need to ask the questions I have asked anymore as the two gentlemen carpentermark and scully have explained in simple English Why we would like the calibre,s back, People have answered your questions, you just choose to ignore them. Evo. I,ve no need to ask the questions I have asked anymore as the two gentlemen carpentermark and scully have explained in simple English. I explained in simple English in an earlier post bellow, but it was obviously not simple enough for you. Manta. Most pistol international competitions that I am aware of require large cap magazines. International Practical Shooting Confederation (IPSC) for example which shot in the UK. IPSC NI - Northern Ireland Practical Shooting Confederation Should civilians in the UK not be able to take part in these competitions, no different than shooting clays as far as I am concerned. www.ipscni.org/ You are trying to come across as someone asking genuine questions, but your posts insulting anyone that has an interest in pistol shooting says different. Evo. NO is the answer, the only reason I can see anyone wanting one of those and or the likes is so as to be the mr big " look what I,ve got brigade" Evo.so lets behave eh not everyone on this forum knows everything about the different shooting discipline ,s as such a smartarse like you does, it was the reason I asked the questions. The internet is wonderful thing , a quick search would have shown the different pistol disciplines shot in the UK and other places before the ban. Edited February 10, 2014 by ordnance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayDT10 Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Why don't you answer my question , do you think section 1 semi-auto shotguns and .22 rifles be banned. As you don't see the need for a firearm to have a capacity of over three rounds. ? firstly I don't class a .22rf as a high power rifle on the second point why the need for a shotgun to have 5 carts in it, 3 in my opinion is ample so I see NO NEED for a shotgun to carry 5 or more, after 40yrs of shooting wildfowl pigeons etc I have never come across anytime where I have needed more than three shots atb Evo assuming you drive , does your car do more than 70 mph , ( why) . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BattleFieldRelics Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 A gun is a gun, no matter the calibre or mag capacity. It does only one thing. So either all guns should be banned or let us have all guns. Simple. No half ***** laws about this, that and the other that ultimately achieve nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 A gun is a gun, no matter the calibre or mag capacity. It does only one thing. So either all guns should be banned or let us have all guns. Simple. No half ***** laws about this, that and the other that ultimately achieve nothing. I would think twice before putting that to the general public to vote on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 I notice that the petition has just over 1600 signatures.hardly a resounding response. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 (edited) I notice that the petition has just over 1600 signatures.hardly a resounding response. Like it or not/agree with it or not the guy is having a go, in this world there are people who endeavour, and those that simply rollover and offer to be shafted! Edited February 11, 2014 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 I notice that the petition has just over 1600 signatures.hardly a resounding response.What do you expect? There's a good chance only shooters will be responding, and we all know how good they are at standing up for themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 Like it or not/agree with it or not the guy is having a go, in this world there are people who endeavour, and those that simply rollover and offer to be shafted! you seem to have a great liking for the word shafted.did you have an unpleasant experience in a former life.i said nothing about the person who started this off merely commenting on the lack of support by those who claim to be so passionate about handguns.as for rolling over dear boy there are two types of people in this world.those who work their way through life and pay their own way for all they have and then there are those who the only work they do is to carry the large chip they have on their shoulder and believe the world owes them.i do not remember any resistance to the ban at the time and it would seem there is the same amount of support to bring them back now.that was the point I was making.unlike most of you on here I am not an aggressive person. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 what firearms are these that your saying I have I have seen and also heard people bragging about what they have,, I have nothing to back up ,,I have asked two questions and as yet no-one has answered them,not even you stop trying to get this into a personal calling thread,just a simple answer would suffice, I,m getting tired of repeating myself now so I will leave the ball in your court to answer my original two questions cheers Evo I have asked two questions and even You cant asnswer them so I,ll leave it there cheers Evo I am afraid you have woken the pw beast and now must pay the price.you should understand you are welcome on this forum as long as you agree with the pack.have fun.atb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strangford wildfowler Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 I am not sure what you mean, as handguns are legal in N Ireland. As for bad things going on the problem in N Ireland was illegal firearms and people willing to use them, not law abiding citizens with legal firearms. Well I don't think it's a good idea to have semi automatic centre fire rifles in case of the terrorist organisations posing as peaceful civilians, and putting the rifles to bad use. Just my opinion, and as for handguns I don't see much of a problem with them. Or am I just jumping to conclusions about this topic? Am open for replies, I'm not saying I'm right and I'm not saying I'm wrong just my opinion, which would change If I was given a good reason for center fire semi automatic rifles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 (edited) Well I don't think it's a good idea to have semi automatic centre fire rifles in case of the terrorist organisations posing as peaceful civilians, and putting the rifles to bad use. I see what you are saying, But as they would only be allowed for club use, if someone was walking down the road with one they would automatically be seen as terrorists. And terrorists have never had any problems getting firearms illegally in the past. As for a good reason I would give the same as for a semi-auto shotguns or .22 rifle. Competition and sporting purposes. You are already allowed full bore AK/47 and M/16-s in straight pull. Is there a need for semi-auto rifles or handguns no, just like there is no need for most of the firearms in civilian hands in the UK. Edited February 11, 2014 by ordnance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livefast123 Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 (edited) Terrorist and serious criminal groups have easy access to automatic weapons coming in from the eastern block so I think it would be on their too hard to do list to buy legal ones. Centerfire rifles and pistols would have many applications for competition shooting, have a look at some of the great fun practical competitions that the Americans have on youtube, I'd love a go. The problem is here that the government has legislated against a gun type based upon their use in terrible and tragic events. They have created fear amonst the public and even gun owners that if that type of gun returns then terror will reign, which certainly is not true. When it comes to danger, a gun is a gun. If somebody was to snap tomorrow then they certainly would not need a semi centrefire pistol or rifle to cause tragedy, a 25 shot SIG 522, 10 shot Marlin lever action or 2 x 6 shot muzzle loading pistols would be equally destructive. Never forget the government would love to disarm the populice, I was too young when handguns went but my club foldef and I lost my airgun shooting. Edited February 11, 2014 by Livefast123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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