al4x Posted January 23, 2013 Report Share Posted January 23, 2013 I had an interesting one this morning on a fox that due to the snow and a few things left me wondering what happened. I took a shot on a fox and it dropped and a few seconds later jumped up, range was simple 100 yards decent rest etc. Missing isn't the real issue the evidence at the site showed in the snow where it had dropped and behind it hair spread for a good 12 feet loads of it, the second thing was due to it being in front of a post and rail fence I also know the bullet had fragmented and pieces were embedded and some had gone through with an approx 4"spread now this bit has me confused, surely fox hair wouldn't cause a relatively slow 75grn vmav to break up. I'm wondering if I clipped something on the way to it but its really strange, the one thing there wasn't was any blood at all. Verging on quite annoying as I had a 250 yarder the night before which typically wasn't after my mothers chickens like this one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kennett Posted January 23, 2013 Report Share Posted January 23, 2013 I had a similar weird miss/hit in the summer, shot at a fox, heard the thud and it dropped like a sack of poo. Briefly started congratulating my lamper/ driver when I saw the fox flip over. We set off at full speed when the fox got up and ran hell for leather, apparently completely healthy to the nearest wood! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted January 24, 2013 Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 Al4x, where did you intend to place the bullet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted January 24, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 Chest front on, so either it went down its side or back, whatever it dropped and the bullet fragmented which really is the confusing bit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockercas Posted January 24, 2013 Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 Any chance of the bullet striking high? I shot one in very low light. It was sat facing me, bullet hit it square between the eyes and deflected with very littel penitraion. Fox still went down but was still alive. That was a 58gr vmax. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted January 24, 2013 Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 (edited) Damn those bullet proof foxes....damn them i say! :yp: On a serious note - bad round maybe? Edited January 24, 2013 by gixer1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted January 24, 2013 Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 Chest front on, so either it went down its side or back, whatever it dropped and the bullet fragmented which really is the confusing bit any chance the bullet has just caught skin say on the shoulder, hence expansion and fur? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted January 24, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 Possibly fur did have some clumps but no skin attached. Strange it dropped on the spot though at that point almost like it did go down its back and it dropped away from it, guess I won't know unless I get to shoot it properly, it's really the fragmentation that is most unusual. Bearing in mind I had a minor accident a while back with the same rounds and dropped 2 fallow after a deflection through the first they aren't that fragile! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted January 24, 2013 Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 the two fallow are probably the result of a fluky round, i use the 75 vmax and most of the fox shot with them have big exit wounds a frontal chest shot fox last year had several exit wounds on it's back, i'm not pushing them to the max ( think 36.5 grains of varget, but i'd have to check to make sure) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redgum Posted January 24, 2013 Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 Not liking what I'm hearing about your shooting al4X, 75gr vmax on fallow ? and was one standing behind the other by any chance ? Are these your reloads, hope not and its a worry when your shooting out to 250yds on live quarry when your struggling at 100yds with a good rest. And wasnt it you that had a dig about my ability and judgement on an a differant post ................................. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted January 24, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 Redgum you can poke that reply up your rectum. The reason they were used was it was a park cull and head shots, one also wasn't behind the other it was a 45 degree exit believe it or not and it was witnessed and the ok had been given on the deer on question. As for the miss well let's say I have shot 65 this last year at various ranges this one was odd because of the evidence being there to show I had bullet expansion despite only hitting hair, it's a similar load to yours Paul which I find fairly mild it tends to only do severe damage really close up. Compared to a mate running 70gr noslers with 41grains of varget it is positively pedestrian. Anyway I think I have the answer I clipped a piece of plastic tape type electric fence on the way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redgum Posted January 24, 2013 Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 Redgum you can poke that reply up your rectum. The reason they were used was it was a park cull and head shots, one also wasn't behind the other it was a 45 degree exit believe it or not and it was witnessed and the ok had been given on the deer on question. As for the miss well let's say I have shot 65 this last year at various ranges this one was odd because of the evidence being there to show I had bullet expansion despite only hitting hair, it's a similar load to yours Paul which I find fairly mild it tends to only do severe damage really close up. Compared to a mate running 70gr noslers with 41grains of varget it is positively pedestrian. Anyway I think I have the answer I clipped a piece of plastic tape type electric fence on the way I will leave the rectum business to your good self as you are quite obviously well qualified, no wonder, you do plenty of talking out of yours. Did you say that you had your DSC1, they cover obsticles infront of the target and you should have been tested on that. You may condone your actions but its just shoddy practice, if you were on any of my ground you would be feeling the blunt end of a boot up your specialised topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted January 24, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 I'm well versed on obstacles and thought I was well above said white tape on funnily enough a white background, interesting how I obviously pulled your chain on that other thread, I'll have to leave you to taking multiple bad shots on boar while believing every shot you take is perfect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redgum Posted January 24, 2013 Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 I'm well versed on obstacles and thought I was well above said white tape on funnily enough a white background, interesting how I obviously pulled your chain on that other thread, I'll have to leave you to taking multiple bad shots on boar while believing every shot you take is perfect . Firsly, correct calibre, 308 and 150gr bullet as advised and conditioned on license,first shot just raked back of heart, both lungs done though, second shot through shoulders and spine, second pig, that did go through a hedge and more, heart jellied along with both lungs. I think if your shooting was half as good as that with a 75gr vmax at 100yds you would not be seeing bits of hair lying around, just a very dead fox. Your a brave lad admitting your mistake ( well when you have eventually run out of excuses for it) and lets just hope you will take this following advice.Get some new glasses, buy factory ammo and a couple of days at the range wouldnt go amiss, if you havent time to do that, just take the hmr, that will kill em dead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted January 24, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 That's exactly why you got some stick in that other thread for being a sanctimonious cretin, you have no idea on my shooting ability and if you never miss it shows how much you actually do shoot. This was interesting as it was an unusual event for me and believe me I don't exactly make a habit of having problems with ones at this range. But hey those that shoot with me know that and why I'm not exactly short of foxing ground. Whichever way this one hasn't been back so it's had the desired result Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redgum Posted January 24, 2013 Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 Sanctimonious cretin, your vocabralaries are obviously far superior to you shooting skills. From all your post al4x I have a fair idea of your shooting abilities.But it is what it is and there are probably worse shots out there after all. You gave me stick on another thread mate because you couldnt help yourself when someone else is just voicing an opinion. I did compliment the lad on his shooting I just don't agree with the tool, for some its a hard enough task with the right tool, but I didnt resort to cheap shots. I feel sad that I have let the sheer frustration of being held up by this blessed snow drag me down to your level. I see the fore mention thread has since been pulled, probably because the lad looked down at his license and couldnt see the word fox, just got carried away with the 'awesome power' of his rifle. Many forget that, even if condition, lawfully or whatever, if its deemed that we have caused unnecessary suffering to an animal we could face a prosecution in respect to animal cruelty. It would be a hard one to get to stick but if your not condition for that said animal then good bye license. Shooting is under increased pressure from just about ever angle with many a watchful anti eye upon us so we have to watch our steps. Of course I have no doupt on you abilities mate, and sure, yes I have missed, I missed a fallows heart the other day, luckily half an inch over the top. Its just your attitude and maybe arrogance sometimes that needs a little honing at times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted January 24, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 Ahh dear give it up the lad had whatever condition and a dead fox, job done some of us have shot a lot with the caliber mentioned and used in its limitations it's fine. Conditions are an interesting one I think mine is pest control at the moment but on everything I have which covers most things the only seperate one is deer. Different forces and indeed different interpretations, basc firearms experts who I know you will disagree with feel foxes meet the dictionary definition of vermin and its not down to us to argue. Anyway you've taken this thread miles from its intended route and just because you were agrieved someone questioned multiple shots to shoot a pig when you'd got all agro on another thread. Poor little piggy is all I can say and I hope you have better luck next time as I hope I spot anything in the way when I get hold of this fox, assuming its not dead though that is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
activeviii Posted January 24, 2013 Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 Clipped the bottom jaw, bullet frags leaving hair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redgum Posted January 24, 2013 Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 Ahh dear give it up the lad had whatever condition and a dead fox, job done some of us have shot a lot with the caliber mentioned and used in its limitations it's fine. Conditions are an interesting one I think mine is pest control at the moment but on everything I have which covers most things the only seperate one is deer. Different forces and indeed different interpretations, basc firearms experts who I know you will disagree with feel foxes meet the dictionary definition of vermin and its not down to us to argue. Anyway you've taken this thread miles from its intended route and just because you were agrieved someone questioned multiple shots to shoot a pig when you'd got all agro on another thread. Poor little piggy is all I can say and I hope you have better luck next time as I hope I spot anything in the way when I get hold of this fox, assuming its not dead though that is. Now with all these big words you use you must have a Oxford dictionary at hand, look under vermin, no ,surprisingly your names not there but under 2 :very unpleasant and destructive people are. So does that mean we can shoot them legally with our rimmies. Shooting doesnt need self opinionated rear ends like yourself making up the rules, just another angle for the antis to squash those of us with a little sense. At the end of the day you fluffed your shot and were not good enough, quick enough or both to pin the poor animal with a back up shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted January 24, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 Ahh that will be me, the good old basc firearms team, my feo really the people that actually matter in this. Legally there is no issue with the definition. As for the rest of your post its not worthy of a reply in this location you'd never start taking pot shots at running foxes. And funnily enough the reason I used the .243 rather than Hmr as I didn't want to chance a runner. Still it's quite funny how much you criticise my shooting with your self confessed cock up on those poor piggies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted January 24, 2013 Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 Clipped the bottom jaw, bullet frags leaving hair. front on with the 243 should leave a dead fox with a clipped jaw type shot you may remember 6 or 7 years ago i had a strange shot, first thing in the morning sitting watching a pen and took the shot at about 90 yards iirc, managed to hit the pig netting, the fox was about two foot behind, i was amazed the fragments didn't drop him (.223) after some time he came back around to sniff where he had been stood so dropped him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redgum Posted January 24, 2013 Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 (edited) Well lets hope that people reading your posts will not follow what you concider a good outcome, an animal to crawl off and have a slow and lingering death, probably through a broken jaw as suggested in another post, must have just been good shooting. You can feel proud of yourself mate. It breaks my heart thinking of those two little ten stone piggies, one shot on the move, both ended up very dead,poor little piggies. I will think of you al4x every time I open the freezer door and think, boy did I cock up. Ps that was a follow up to al4x last post not yours. Edited January 24, 2013 by Redgum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little_Dom Posted January 24, 2013 Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 ladies please can you take the handbags and hair pulling outside? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted January 24, 2013 Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 Bullet performance isn't always a given. Sometimes slipping between the ribs into the lungs will effectively pencil. I was at first thinking " ah another 100grn deer bullet on fox" but still even with a 75 grn v-max it can happen. I am dead against head / brain shots and dead against v -max on fallow though and if you are prepared to shoot under such restrictions I suggest high neck as there is no meat there and its a lot more reliable than the brain, pedicules and thickening of the scull alied to a tiny brain in a reasonable size head. You had hair,you should be able to tell from were it came. You do not always get blood it can pool inside Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redgum Posted January 24, 2013 Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 ladies please can you take the handbags and hair pulling outside? My apologies, that will be the end of it, it has wondered off topic a little, I will leave the old blind *** alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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