Vince Green Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 (edited) These smuggling abroad cases are a worry only because the relevant domestic regimes are all 100% corrupt. Who knows which was is up?.... There is a very simple answer, don't go there and smuggle drugs in the first place. you won't have to worry about a fair trial then. They have an uncomplicated philosophy, You smuggle drugs and we shoot you. I like that, everybody knows exactly where they stand. Edited February 1, 2013 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secretagentmole Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 Things might not appear as bleak as they seem to Cokergran! The Indonesians quite routinely sentence people to death, so that the beloved leader can appear to be sensitive and repeal the sentence ahead of some celebration or other, usually commuted to life in prison but hey ho, the family still gets a nice holiday when they visit granny! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 usually commuted to life in prison but hey ho, the family still gets a nice holiday when they visit granny! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 If you smuggle drugs into countries that have the death penalty for drug smuggling then I'm sorry and all, but thats the price of getting caught. I really wish we had the death penalty for drug smugglers, it might deter a few. It didn't deter her and she's apprently done it before so presumably knows the score full well. It didn't deter a lot of people committing murder when we did have it so I put very litte stock in the deterrant effect people claim it has. J. Things might not appear as bleak as they seem to Cokergran! The Indonesians quite routinely sentence people to death, so that the beloved leader can appear to be sensitive and repeal the sentence ahead of some celebration or other, usually commuted to life in prison but hey ho, the family still gets a nice holiday when they visit granny! It's highly unlikely they will execute her - these places rarely do when it's a white foreigner involved. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 It didn't deter her and she's apprently done it before so presumably knows the score full well. It didn't deter a lot of people committing murder when we did have it so I put very litte stock in the deterrant effect people claim it has. J. It's highly unlikely they will execute her - these places rarely do when it's a white foreigner involved. J. that will make it awkward my bet is she gets of with a long sentence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 I was involved with the drugs debate recently. A retired Pharmacist gave his opinion to me privatly. He said "no trial shoot them at the airport" "the few innocents you kill will balance against the ones you save" I took him to be a clever bloke but those aint moderate views they are ones based on his experience. Drugs create such misery, crime and death Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 Drugs create such misery, crime and death It amazes me, while not wishing to understate the damage drugs do, that so little consideration is given to alcohol and the lives that ruins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 It didn't deter her and she's apprently done it before so presumably knows the score full well. It didn't deter a lot of people committing murder when we did have it so I put very litte stock in the deterrant effect people claim it has. J. It's highly unlikely they will execute her - these places rarely do when it's a white foreigner involved. J. Shame really it would make great reality TV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 I absolutely agree. The death penalty straight off for drugs smugglers anywhere. I also think there should be the death penalty for spies. Seriously, anyone gets caught spying anywhere in the world then the domestic country that catches you gets to execute you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diceman Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 I absolutely agree. The death penalty straight off for drugs smugglers anywhere. I also think there should be the death penalty for spies. Seriously, anyone gets caught spying anywhere in the world then the domestic country that catches you gets to execute you. Bit harsh Mung. Shouldn't we consult the Mail Online comments page first and go with the majority before swinging the axe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Geordie Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 Personally I think She has a bloody cheek! How many users get the chance to sue the dealers when they die from the poison they sell? She deals in death by powder! In my view thats a fair cop. Live by the sword, Die by the sword. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 that will make it awkward my bet is she gets of with a long sentence Yes, most probably. She'll get half served over here, I reckon. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 I was involved with the drugs debate recently. A retired Pharmacist gave his opinion to me privatly. He said "no trial shoot them at the airport" "the few innocents you kill will balance against the ones you save" I took him to be a clever bloke but those aint moderate views they are ones based on his experience. Drugs create such misery, crime and death Then he is clearly a lunatic, a bigot and not someone you want to be listening to or someone who should have been trusted to dispense potentially lethal narcotics. Are you willing to be one of his 'innocents' shot in error? Drugs don't actually create that much misery, Illegal drugs cause misery. People commit crime and people die because of illegal drugs or, more specifically, because of the massive amounts of illegal wealth they create. Take Heroin, for instance. It is not a particularly dangerous drug. You can take, and be addicted to, fairly large quantities of pharmaceutical quality Heroin with few side effects other than a consipation. Many well known people were Opium fiends or Heroin addicts for a large part of their lives in the days when it was legal and had very successful careers without the drugs affecting them. The problem that Heroin addicts have these days is not the drug its self but the **** that is in it to make it go further. That's what kills people. Like I have said before; if addicts were given Heroin on prescription then the illegal Heroin trade would die over night and the crime that addicts commit to get their Heroin would also disappear overnight. Unfortunately, too many people are all too willing to continue to accept the high crime rates and other **** involved simply to prove the point that filthy addicts should die or have a reallty bad time of things due to something have no real choice about. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guest1957 Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 Personally I think She has a bloody cheek! How many users get the chance to sue the dealers when they die from the poison they sell? She deals in death by powder! In my view thats a fair cop. Live by the sword, Die by the sword. If you think she is the dealer you are very naive. She is a slightly thick mule set up by someone who gets the cash further up the road. I'd happily send the SAS to liberate her. UK citizens should be provided government protection, despite stupid mistakes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Geordie Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 (edited) I never said she was a dealer! I said she deals in death. ie she helps with the importing of a substance known to kill. If she has been to this place in the past then there is no defence in ignorance. She must have understood what the penalty was! In certain countries sex with a minor is acceptable yet here the same people are jailed! Do you think we should let them off purely because they are not native? No! Because it is OUR laws and we don't like outside forces interfering! There are a great many things in other countries that are perfectly legal there but WE punish them over here for doing the same! You enter a country you should know and understand it's laws AND punishments. Toe the line and you should be fine. Step out of line and you shoul accept the punishment! Edited February 2, 2013 by Lord Geordie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evo Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 smuggling drugs into a foreign country was not a mistake, she knew what she was doing and had done it before so she should suffer the full arm of the law,,hopefully with a gun in its hand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pushkin Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 Diceman, if you go back to the article: it is the charity group Reprieve who are supplying her with a lawyer at present. I think like Mung says -we are all entitled to support from the foreign office if we get into trouble abroad. We can all cock up! Pushkin B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scimitar Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 Diceman, if you go back to the article: it is the charity group Reprieve who are supplying her with a lawyer at present. I think like Mung says -we are all entitled to support from the foreign office if we get into trouble abroad. We can all cock up! Pushkin B) Does your support of brits getting in trouble abroad include sex tourists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 (edited) One Country's "secure conviction for spying" is another Country's stitch up of its plane spotting tourist citizens. You see where I'm going with this? I hope none of your children get caught on holiday on a beach with a spliff or doing anything wrong..... incidentally there's loads of case law of people wrongly accused and convicted by foreign Courts and who are being extradited - from alleged motoring offences, bar fights and so on. Lets hope the foreign office doesn't fail everyone eh? Classic-Daily-Mail-no-proper-thought-tastic Edited February 2, 2013 by Mungler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scimitar Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 I absolutely agree. The death penalty straight off for drugs smugglers anywhere. I also think there should be the death penalty for spies. Seriously, anyone gets caught spying anywhere in the world then the domestic country that catches you gets to execute you. I bet mi6 just love you, and what about those sailors arrested by Iran a few years ago would you have just left them to rot. Special forces operating abroad spying on terrorists/other threats to the UK, lets wash our hands of them if they get caught. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 I bet mi6 just love you, and what about those sailors arrested by Iran a few years ago would you have just left them to rot. Special forces operating abroad spying on terrorists/other threats to the UK, lets wash our hands of them if they get caught. Precisely. Now go back and look at this thread but now having accepted that there is no such thing as a "secure" foreign court conviction and think about how the Foreign Office is supposed to be there to help all foreign subjects. I'm done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m3vert Posted February 2, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 :yahoo: In Munglers words "I'm done" :yahoo: now lets get back to shooting her! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pushkin Posted February 3, 2013 Report Share Posted February 3, 2013 (edited) Scimitar Posted Yesterday, 08:22 AM Does your support of brits getting in trouble abroad include sex tourists. The thing is Scimitar, you are assuming foreign law is correct but even their prosecuters only asked a for a long term sentence. As far as sex tourists are concerned are you meaning those who go to Amsterdam or Belgium to sample the night ladies or something far less acceptable. Sex tourists is far too open a statement - you really need to define that. Pushkin Edited February 3, 2013 by Pushkin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scimitar Posted February 3, 2013 Report Share Posted February 3, 2013 The less acceptable kind, you get caught noncing about in the far east you deserve your punishment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pushkin Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 (edited) scimitar Posted Yesterday, 08:47 PM The less acceptable kind, you get caught noncing about in the far east you deserve your punishment. Ay up lad - you get caught doing any of that ANYWHERE then you deserve to get whatever is going Pushkin B) Edited February 4, 2013 by Pushkin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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