Zapp Posted February 15, 2013 Report Share Posted February 15, 2013 Are you from that "armbritain" forum by any chance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted February 15, 2013 Report Share Posted February 15, 2013 This case of the bladerunner in South Africa taken at face value is a good illustration of why liberal gun laws cause deaths. Either, as he says, he woke up and, half asleep, mistook his girlfriend for an intruder. Or, as the police appear to be saying, it was a domestic. That doesn't make sense. What has liberal gun laws got to do with the above case you have lost me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VikingRebel Posted February 15, 2013 Report Share Posted February 15, 2013 This case of the bladerunner in South Africa taken at face value is a good illustration of why liberal gun laws cause deaths. Either, as he says, he woke up and, half asleep, mistook his girlfriend for an intruder. Or, as the police appear to be saying, it was a domestic. Either way, a totally senseless death of a type that occours all too often in the States but would almost never happen in Britain. It could happen here, of course it could, but in the US its literally a daily occourance somewhere or other. South Africa hardly has liberal firearms laws. Britain's gun laws are in many respects far more liberal than in SA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonymouslemming Posted February 15, 2013 Report Share Posted February 15, 2013 South Africa hardly has liberal firearms laws. Britain's gun laws are in many respects far more liberal than in SA. Tell me about it - If you get a licence for a shotgun, you can't just go and buy 3. Just one example, but there are many more. Of course, what they've done there with the bureaucracy to dissuade people from owning guns is frightening. The delays, the requirements, the police visit(s) and the sheer incompetence... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted February 15, 2013 Report Share Posted February 15, 2013 (edited) Tell me about it - If you get a licence for a shotgun, you can't just go and buy 3. Just one example, but there are many more. You can't do that in this part of the uk either. Of course, what they've done there with the bureaucracy to dissuade people from owning guns is frightening. The delays, the requirements, the police visit(s) and the sheer incompetence That sounds like here as well. Edited February 15, 2013 by ordnance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 (edited) That doesn't make sense. What has liberal gun laws got to do with the above case you have lost me. What I was meaning is thats the sort of thing that can happen when a gun is just kept loaded in the bedroom. lots of people in America keep a loaded gun under the pillow or on the bedside table. I've done it, I slept for seven years with a loaded gun when I lived in West Africa. But a few drinks, a bad dream or a momentary confusion when you are half asleep and the consequences will be very permanent. In America, there are a lot of mistaken identity shootings very similar to the bladerunner case and often involving family members or neighbours. The strange thing in America is that nobody seems to blame the gun laws. I'd much rather live in a country where guns are kept locked away by law Edited February 16, 2013 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 (edited) In America, there are a lot of mistaken identity shootings very similar to the bladerunner case and often involving family members or neighbours. The strange thing in America is that nobody seems to blame the gun laws. That is a fair point it does happen. Quote. Michael Leach, 59, of Rochester, who is employed as a village police officer in Perry, Wyoming County, thought his son Matthew S. Leach, 37 of Rochester, was an intruder when he shot him at about 12:50 a.m. inside his Clarks Beach Hotel room, police said. The weapon used was the officer's department-issued .45-caliber Glock handgun, police said. Whether you blame the shooter or the gun laws is another matter. Edited February 16, 2013 by ordnance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted February 17, 2013 Report Share Posted February 17, 2013 Are you from that "armbritain" forum by any chance? Wasn't aware there was such a website....interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted February 17, 2013 Report Share Posted February 17, 2013 This case of the bladerunner in South Africa taken at face value is a good illustration of why liberal gun laws cause deaths. Either, as he says, he woke up and, half asleep, mistook his girlfriend for an intruder. Or, as the police appear to be saying, it was a domestic. Either way, a totally senseless death of a type that occours all too often in the States but would almost never happen in Britain. It could happen here, of course it could, but in the US its literally a daily occourance somewhere or other. I don't think that gun laws in SA are that liberal these days. I seem to recall reading that getting a licence for anything is fairly difficult these days and at one point virtually none were being granted. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted February 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2013 I don't think that gun laws in SA are that liberal these days. I seem to recall reading that getting a licence for anything is fairly difficult these days and at one point virtually none were being granted. J. In my day 20 years ago it was fairly straightforward. They did fingerprint you as part of the process though. Each firearm required a separate license too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted February 17, 2013 Report Share Posted February 17, 2013 (edited) I don't think that gun laws in SA are that liberal these days. I seem to recall reading that getting a licence for anything is fairly difficult these days and at one point virtually none were being granted. J. Thats why I said "taken at face value" his claim was he mistook her for an intruder. The point I was trying to make was that it couldn't just happen like that if the gun was locked away unloaded in a safe. Besides which the laws may be tight under the present administration but for years the white population were armed to the teeth and their homes were like fortresses The real area of my interest though is the US where loaded guns are left in drawers etc so casually. In Arizona where I go from time to time concealed carry permits are handed out willy nilly and it seems like everybody has one. Gun laws are one thing, basic respect for a lethal weapon is quite a seperate matter and I was trying to illustrate that difference.. Edited February 17, 2013 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted February 17, 2013 Report Share Posted February 17, 2013 Thats why I said "taken at face value" his claim was he mistook her for an intruder. The point I was trying to make was that it couldn't just happen like that if the gun was locked away unloaded in a safe. Besides which the laws may be tight under the present administration but for years the white population were armed to the teeth and their homes were like fortresses . The thing is though is that if the gun is for personal protection then it isn't going to be locked away by definition. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted February 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2013 Thats why I said "taken at face value" his claim was he mistook her for an intruder. The point I was trying to make was that it couldn't just happen like that if the gun was locked away unloaded in a safe. Besides which the laws may be tight under the present administration but for years the white population were armed to the teeth and their homes were like fortresses . They still are like fortresses. Electric fences are not uncommon on residential homes. As for armed to the teeth, I would not characterise it like that. Many homes had guns, but usually not more than one or two. There were exceptions of course - gun hobbyists, hunters, Etc. Not sure how present gun laws have changed this though I'm sure they have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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