four-wheel-drive Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 I think that it should be up to each of us to opt in not opt out another thing I think that we should have some say in who has any of our organs as has been said there are some nasty people out there that I for one would not want to do anything to assist them to live any longer than they have to. I also think that if someone is responsible for harming another person the old eye for an eye rule should apply if someone dose something and harming another person then they should forfit something that they have two of Ie one eye one kidney one foot one hand in that way the parts could be used to help others and the person how did it can still function and make a living for themselves. As for George Best my thoughts exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 Help yourself, I'll be dead and won't give a monkeys. Nice to think the dead can give life to the living. Well, that would be the less selfish dead though eh? The problem I see with that approach is what if when doing blood tests they should find that you are a perfect match for a relative or someone rich and powerful could they not be tempted to bump you off to get at your parts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloke Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 (edited) Help yourself, I'll be dead and won't give a monkeys. Nice to think the dead can give life to the living. Well, that would be the less selfish dead though eh? The problem I see with that approach is what if when doing blood tests they should find that you are a perfect match for a relative or someone rich and powerful could they not be tempted to bump you off to get at your parts. Mungler - Absolutely! If there was an opt out system they would have no problem finding a match as they will have more to choose from. If my mates are anything to go by, the main reason most people are not on the donor register is apathy. They all say they are going to register, but 6 months later, they are still saying "yeah, just haven't got round to it yet, lots to do" just like with blood donation, everyone thinks it is a great idea, but units are struggling to get donors in some areas :( . Edited February 16, 2013 by Bloke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pole Star Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 I am not sure of this but I understand you have a good chance of buying an organ from China ! if you have the wealth that is !. I saw a photo which Amnesty international got hold of which showed a doctor pointing to the back of a condemned man so the executioner would put his bullet in a direction so as not to damage the parts wanted . Thats a dictatorship for you ! . Sorry if thats a off the thread . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beretta06 Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 The problem I see with that approach is what if when doing blood tests they should find that you are a perfect match for a relative or someone rich and powerful could they not be tempted to bump you off to get at your parts. I think George Best is a classic example - was he REALLY the most needy person at the time? Money does, and always will, talk loudest for benefits. You can't buy health, but money sure can help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happypig Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 To be fair, if I was harvesting organs for donation on behalf of the rich and famous I am certain I would turn to the PW massive, What with your healthy outdoor lifestyles I am sure you are all candidates....! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano 1 Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 I think that it should be up to each of us to opt in not opt out another thing I think that we should have some say in who has any of our organs as has been said there are some nasty people out there that I for one would not want to do anything to assist them to live any longer than they have to. I also think that if someone is responsible for harming another person the old eye for an eye rule should apply if someone dose something and harming another person then they should forfit something that they have two of Ie one eye one kidney one foot one hand in that way the parts could be used to help others and the person how did it can still function and make a living for themselves. As for George Best my thoughts exactly. My thoughts are the same, especially with the eye for an eye. I also think you should get out what you put in, ie; if you've been a sponger and claimed benefits all your life, you should not be able to opt out and your organs are a payment back to the government for everything you have sponged, and if the same needs an organ, " TOUGH " you've had enough. Obviously children should come first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 My thoughts are the same, especially with the eye for an eye. I also think you should get out what you put in, ie; if you've been a sponger and claimed benefits all your life, you should not be able to opt out and your organs are a payment back to the government for everything you have sponged, and if the same needs an organ, " TOUGH " you've had enough. Obviously children should come first. what tosh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mel b3 Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 I carry a donor card stating all my parts are up for grabs, all my family know my wishes so job done. BUT if you insist on everyone becoming donors then you open a can of worms,aside from the state basically laying claim to your body,which i think is wrong,there is the very real possibility of you being hastened toward your end if you are seriously ill in a hospital. Before you all start shouting that will never happen think carefully,we are already seeing the tip of the iceberg about supposed"care pathway"treatment,and i don't think it is a huge step of the imagination to have a scenario where you are in hospital,it is touch and go whether you survive,you might if you are given the right treatment at the right time, and a young person with kidney failure is desperate for a kidney in the next 48 hours in the opposite ward.Think about it,who would know,and a young life saved.Far fetched,again read about this care pathway and tell me that everyone was treated properly. A slippery slope when the government and the medical world take control of our bodies. these are my exact thought and feelings , organ donation is amazing and to give life to someone after your death is an amazingly charitable act , but , the government and the nhs cannot be trusted , this is proven over and over again on a daily basis , how long would it be before your kidneys were going to the highest bidder ?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperfection Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 Im all for it-when people have died suddenly the last thing relatives want to hear is donation so it would help prevent anguish.Far too many good organs are buried or burnt when they could help other people. However,im no good for donation anymore due to having had cancer so mine will no doubt go up in smoke! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diceman Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 Personally I collect all my toenail clippings and get the barber to give me back all the hair he cuts off and bag it all up so that when i die ALL of me can be buried in the ground forever in a concrete sealed lead lined tomb so not even the worms can make use of MY body, after all there could be some unemployed chav worms getting fed FOR FREE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 (edited) Was going to comment on above post,but decided not to when drunk. Edited February 16, 2013 by welsh1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diceman Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 Was going to comment on above post,but decided not to when drunk. Ah, go on, you know you want to.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 Ah, go on, you know you want to.... Maybe after a few more glasses of red. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diceman Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 OK whilst your are uncorking I will clarify my position in less sarcastic fashion. 1. When you are dead you are dead, you won't know anything about it and whatever happens to the bag of organs you left behind will not affect you one tiny tiny bit. 2. There are only two useful things you can do with your body once you are dead and they are fertilising the graveyard or helping someone else to live. 3. Denying someone the second chance that you didn't get on the grounds of wanting all of your organs to rot away in one place at the same time is a bit selfish 4. Denying someone a second chance because there is a possibility you might not have liked them if you were still alive is a bit selfish 5. The idea that the opt out is tantamount to state sponsored euthanasia to bolster the organ donor register for member of the ruling elite is conspiracy theory nonsense. For a start, the ruling elite are all reptilian aliens anyway so our organs are of no use to them other than as a salty snack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted February 17, 2013 Report Share Posted February 17, 2013 (edited) Your not getting what I was saying,for a start all my bits are on the register and I carry a card. It is State intervention that bothers me,as the government and the medical profession cannot be trusted to get it right and as other people have said it could end up as money talking and you leaving this mortal coil a bit sooner than expected.as it is the nhs is knocking people off left right and centre Encouraging people to donate is the answer,spend money on a good advertising campaign ,make it where it is socially the right thing to be on the register. Edited as I am very drunk and missed your bit about conspiracy theory,so I deleted that bit Edited February 17, 2013 by welsh1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diceman Posted February 17, 2013 Report Share Posted February 17, 2013 Hi Welsh, my first sarcastic post was not a dig at you but at those who refuse to donate because they don't want bits of their body missing when they are buried / cremated. I think most people are generally in favour of donation but never get around to or can't be bothered to fill in the card. For the minority who are strongly against, then I would put the onus on them to opt out, not least because other than selfishness I can't think of a good reason not to let another human being benefit from something you have absolutely no use for. I'm not sure what part the government plays in organ donation policy. I'm pretty sure if they had issued a directive encouraging the NHS to kill people off in order to stop people dying we would know about it. As for the NHS knocking people off left right & centre for financial gain, which is how I read your post, is that what you really meant to say? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mel b3 Posted February 17, 2013 Report Share Posted February 17, 2013 Hi Welsh, my first sarcastic post was not a dig at you but at those who refuse to donate because they don't want bits of their body missing when they are buried / cremated. I think most people are generally in favour of donation but never get around to or can't be bothered to fill in the card. For the minority who are strongly against, then I would put the onus on them to opt out, not least because other than selfishness I can't think of a good reason not to let another human being benefit from something you have absolutely no use for. I'm not sure what part the government plays in organ donation policy. I'm pretty sure if they had issued a directive encouraging the NHS to kill people off in order to stop people dying we would know about it. As for the NHS knocking people off left right & centre for financial gain, which is how I read your post, is that what you really meant to say? im with welsh1 all the way with this one , i cant do links but if you do a search for ( liverpool care pathway ) , youll see the financial incentives that hospitals had been recieving for using the liverpool care pathway , it doesnt take a massive leap of imagination to see how easy it would be for a doctor to withdraw treatment from one patient if it might benefit one or more other patients , saving the nhs money would be a very welcome side effect of this. ive carried a donor card for years but these days i really dont think i have anything of any great value to anyone . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted February 17, 2013 Report Share Posted February 17, 2013 (edited) Hi Welsh, my first sarcastic post was not a dig at you I'm not sure what part the government plays in organ donation policy. I'm pretty sure if they had issued a directive encouraging the NHS to kill people off in order to stop people dying we would know about it. As for the NHS knocking people off left right & centre for financial gain, which is how I read your post, is that what you really meant to say? My point about the nhs was although they often start schemes with good intentions,it often spirals into something more strange,sinister for want of a better word. The care pathway was supposed to be a protocol to ease the suffering of dying people and assist them in their final hours,but it has emerged that hospitals have been abusing this system and basically starving you to death by withholding the basics such as water,not only that but medical teams were having meetings and deciding who to put on this care pathway,and not informing the relatives of the patient. I know that this was not the norm in the nhs,but it shows that if you give a bit some people will take a mile,it could be that one day you are Ill in hospital and you have a 80% chance of dying,and a medical team decide that it will cost a lot of money to save you as an old person,but they could save the life of the young person next door with you organs,if you believe that no one would ever think what the hell,he won't be missed,and place you on a care pathway,then go ahead. Edited February 17, 2013 by welsh1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted February 17, 2013 Report Share Posted February 17, 2013 (edited) You may well be aware that for a while now the bma have proposed an organ donation 'opt out' idea, where unless you have opted out in writing, then your organs can be used after your death. After thinking about this, i reckon its a good idea, it is still democratic but as in my case it takes the uneasy decision about organ donation out of your hands, in effect it makes up your mind for you iif you would like to donate but are too scared or whatever. When you think about little kids on dialysis machines or terribly sick adults who could be saved it seems a crime that so many valid organs end up in the crematorium, or under the ground. I think to save peoples lives is paramount, what does the forum think? Regards, una. I entirely agree and have always been of this opinion. Other half is from Scandinavia and I believe that is the system they operate there. What I also think is that anyone who opts out doesn't get on a transplant list. Only fair. J. I think it is a scandalous idea to be honest. Any programme that insists you opt out is usually because people don't want to voluntarily opt in. When the time comes, I want my whole body to be dead - not bits still wandering around. I also object to the thought my body would become Government property to cut up as they wish :-( But it wouldn't if you opt out. All you have to do is tick a box which I can't see a prolem with. J. Edited February 17, 2013 by JonathanL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted February 17, 2013 Report Share Posted February 17, 2013 The sooner artificial organs are perfected the better then we wont have to go organ begging or stealing ( that's happened too ! ) If some one wishes to donate then thats their wish but stealing from the dead because they cant object is shameful ! its the same as the Chinese who use executed prisoners as a source of organs . We live in a democracy not a dictatorship ! or so we think ? . That is not what was proposed. Anyone can object, just tick the box marked 'opt out'. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted February 17, 2013 Report Share Posted February 17, 2013 If not enough are being donated then maybe its the public's wishes Donor cards have been on offer for years so if you wish to carry one then by all means do that's not a problem . Lots of people don't do it now not because they don't agree with it but because they never get round to it, can't be bothered, don't want to think about their own death, etc, etc. It would be far easier simply to have a box which says, "I do not want to be an organ donor". J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted February 17, 2013 Report Share Posted February 17, 2013 I agree entirely. I have carried an organ donation card for years and I registered on the database when it first started. However I feel the opt out idea is disgraceful and smacks too much of big brother for my liking. I just don't see it. It is not 'big brother' as the state isn't requiring you to do it. It is simply taking the view that someone consents rather than doesn't consent. If you don't want to do it then tick the 'no' box and you won't be a donor. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lumpy Posted February 17, 2013 Report Share Posted February 17, 2013 (edited) So are the BMA going to send me a letter with said box to tick NO or is this something i've got to of out of my way to aquire just to be able to retain what's already mine ? Edited February 17, 2013 by lumpy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pole Star Posted February 17, 2013 Report Share Posted February 17, 2013 That is not what was proposed. Anyone can object, just tick the box marked 'opt out'. J. Mate I belong to me dead or alive ! . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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