Organ donation and the B.M.A idea

[Pole Star]

What if KW needed an urgent organ transplant and unwittingly got one from Mungler who had expired earlier that day in a freak onanism accident whilst visiting the herts boys?

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[Thunderbird]

What if KW needed an urgent organ transplant and unwittingly got one from Mungler who had expired earlier that day in a freak onanism accident whilst visiting the herts boys?

 

I expect it would be a bit like the Trill on Star Trek Deep Space Nine. Only not as fit.

[Gordon R]

I expect it would be a bit like the Trill on Star Trek Deep Space Nine. Only not as fit.

 

Classic.

[JonathanL]

I accept that when someone dies, it should not really matter to them what happens to their organs. They should be going to a good cause.

 

The opt-out scheme has some merit, but what happens if they don't receive your opt-out notification or they make a computer cock-up.

 

Anyone who says that this can't or won't happen should be banned from voting and from posting on a forum.

 

Put yourself in the place of a relative - you go to see the person who has died to find that many parts have been removed, without permission. Leaving aside the upset, the potential for litigation is immense.

 

Cock-up's happen though. If we never did anything because someone might make a cock-up then we wouldn't have a transplant system (or an NHS, for that matter) in the first place. Any cock-up that results in organs being taken from the wrong person could happen now anyway. It's no less likely today that someone who wasn't on the register could have their organs taken than someone who had opted out could have theirs taken.

 

Like I say above, what's the worst that could possibly happen? A dead person gets their organs harvested and someone else doesn't die because of it. Fair enough, it might be initially upsetting to the family but they'd get over it.

 

I don't agree that the potential for litigation is particularly large. This isn't the same as hospitals illegally keeping bits of dead children without seeking consent or informing anyone they had them. Even if it were there isn't a great deal of scope for lawyers to get rich because they would never be much awarded in the way of damages or whatever other compensation might be due.

 

J.

[FalconFN]

 

Maybe they should check the donors past to see if he has had any criminal or pervert convictions ! well who knows the habit might be passed on

I don't think you understood my previous post, you can't inherit peoples habits through organ transplants, it is psychological (all in the mind) and not physical.

[Thunderbird]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hands_of_Orlac_(1924_film)

[The Essex Hunter]

My money is on school teacher.

 

Assistant caretaker…….

 

 

TEH

[Pole Star]

 

Cock-up's happen though. If we never did anything because someone might make a cock-up then we wouldn't have a transplant system (or an NHS, for that matter) in the first place. Any cock-up that results in organs being taken from the wrong person could happen now anyway. It's no less likely today that someone who wasn't on the register could have their organs taken than someone who had opted out could have theirs taken.

 

Like I say above, what's the worst that could possibly happen? A dead person gets their organs harvested and someone else doesn't die because of it. Fair enough, it might be initially upsetting to the family but they'd get over it.

 

I don't agree that the potential for litigation is particularly large. This isn't the same as hospitals illegally keeping bits of dead children without seeking consent or informing anyone they had them. Even if it were there isn't a great deal of scope for lawyers to get rich because they would never be much awarded in the way of damages or whatever other compensation might be due.

 

J.

 

Which planet are you accessing this forum from who says they will get over it did you not know that mothers & fathers happen too be sensitive & some very so !

Are you by any chance a member of the Nazi party well I do wonder , your comments are heartless !. ps did you not read about the cases where body parts were taken from dead children with out their parents consent ? , try telling that to their mothers ?

Edited July 4, 2013 by Pole Star

[FalconFN]

 

Which planet are you accessing this forum from who says they will get over it did you not know that mothers & fathers happen too be sensitive & some very so !

Are you by any chance a member of the Nazi party well I do wonder , your comments are heartless !.

Hmmm, how odd.

 

This is about saving lives, if people wish to opt out then they may as it is their choice. In the rare event of a mistake happening, and yes mistakes do happen, then a very small number of families will have to live with the knowledge that one of their relative's organs is saving the life of another human - granted it will be very upsetting, but to deny the many thousands of people the chance of life because a very small number may be upset is perverse.

 

Pole Star, your posts are always entertaining but I think you sometimes misinterpret other peoples posts and jump to all sorts of odd conclusions.

[Pole Star]

Hmmm, how odd.

 

This is about saving lives, if people wish to opt out then they may as it is their choice. In the rare event of a mistake happening, and yes mistakes do happen, then a very small number of families will have to live with the knowledge that one of their relative's organs is saving the life of another human - granted it will be very upsetting, but to deny the many thousands of people the chance of life because a very small number may be upset is perverse.

 

Pole Star, your posts are always entertaining but I think you sometimes misinterpret other peoples posts and jump to all sorts of odd conclusions.

 

You clearly seem not to have a heart either now that is sad , but if you experienced such a situation I wonder how you would feel ? .

The system as it stands in England & Scotland is the correct way & in my opinion should not be changed , incidentally did the citizens in Wales get a say in this ? I dout it .

[FalconFN]

 

You clearly seem not to have a heart either now that is sad , but if you experienced such a situation I wonder how you would feel ? .

The system as it stands in England & Scotland is the correct way & in my opinion should not be changed , incidentally did the citizens in Wales get a say in this ? I dout it .

So in short, you would prefer to condemn thousands of people to an early death rather than upset a handful of people?

 

The current system is clearly not working properly as 3 people are dying every day because they don't have a donor.

 

I do have a heart, as do you, but the difference between us is that I am willing to give mine to another human to prolong their life.

[Pole Star]

So in short, you would prefer to condemn thousands of people to an early death rather than upset a handful of people?

 

The current system is clearly not working properly as 3 people are dying every day because they don't have a donor.

 

I do have a heart, as do you, but the difference between us is that I am willing to give mine to another human to prolong their life.

Yes but thats the point FalconFN you are willing to give so you carry a donor card & that is your choice & I applaud you for that & thats the way it should be & there is nothing wrong with that .

[Pole Star]

Anyway this argument will go on & on & the welsh dictatorship has forced this on the citizens of Wales & I no dout think the grubby politicians of Scotland & England will do the same such is their thirst for brownie points ! .

[GingerCat]

Could be an assistant caretaker, has a lot if time on his hands.

[Gordon R]

 

I don't agree that the potential for litigation is particularly large. This isn't the same as hospitals illegally keeping bits of dead children without seeking consent or informing anyone they had them. Even if it were there isn't a great deal of scope for lawyers to get rich because they would never be much awarded in the way of damages or whatever other compensation might be due.

 

You clearly have nothing to do with the legal profession.

[welsh1]

Hmmm, how odd.

 

This is about saving lives, if people wish to opt out then they may as it is their choice. In the rare event of a mistake happening, and yes mistakes do happen, then a very small number of families will have to live with the knowledge that one of their relative's organs is saving the life of another human - granted it will be very upsetting, but to deny the many thousands of people the chance of life because a very small number may be upset is perverse.

 

Pole Star, your posts are always entertaining but I think you sometimes misinterpret other peoples posts and jump to all sorts of odd conclusions.

Rare you say

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1265163/Organs-removed-dead-patients-consent-NHS-blunder.html

[Gordon R]

Oh dear. It would appear that not only has someone nothing with the legal profession, they also have little grasp of reality.

[Gunnerbob]

I object to presumed permission to take body parts.....if I want to give such parts as may be useful then I will make my wishes known..

[FalconFN]

Rare you say

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1265163/Organs-removed-dead-patients-consent-NHS-blunder.html

Firstly well done for finding a story that is over 3 years old but seriously even this major blunder that happened over ten years ago is a rare occurrence. Take a look at the stats; 21 people over 10 years = 2 a year, compare that to the number of successful and scandal-free transplants of over 3,500 per year.

 

I'm not saying that it is ok that mistakes are made, far from it as clearly it is illegal and horrifying for the families, but you have to look at the bigger picture - something difficult to do if you read the Daily Mail.

[welsh1]

Firstly well done for finding a story that is over 3 years old but seriously even this major blunder that happened over ten years ago is a rare occurrence. Take a look at the stats; 21 people over 10 years = 2 a year, compare that to the number of successful and scandal-free transplants of over 3,500 per year.

 

I'm not saying that it is ok that mistakes are made, far from it as clearly it is illegal and horrifying for the families, but you have to look at the bigger picture - something difficult to do if you read the Daily Mail.

It was partly tongue in cheek,partly that i already knew of the story,and partly the little devil in me couldn't resist

 

But on a more serious note the catalogue of serious failures of data and computer cock ups in the NHS and the government hardly inspires confidence

[Gordon R]

Got to be honest, I don't care if it is one in a million. If it happened to my family, I would sue the pants off the hospital and do my level best to see the culprits drummed out of the NHS.

 

Try explaining to a distraught relative that they needed to keep a sense of perspective and see the bigger picture. Good luck.

[FalconFN]

Got to be honest, I don't care if it is one in a million. If it happened to my family, I would sue the pants off the hospital and do my level best to see the culprits drummed out of the NHS.

 

Try explaining to a distraught relative that they needed to keep a sense of perspective and see the bigger picture. Good luck.

Well me too, as it was totally wrong and illegal and someone made a mistake, and you are right I couldn't say that to a grieving family but what would you say to the many more families of those that die through lack of donors. It's not easy but hard decisions have to be made by someone..

 

BTW perhaps you should take a look into the medical world, I think you may be shocked to discover pretty much all medical and pharmaceutical procedures carry risks, some of them are pretty appalling, it's all about balancing those risks with possible outcomes and 1 in a million is exceedingly good odds for any procedure.

 

ATB

[The Essex Hunter]

Could be an assistant caretaker, has a lot if time on his hands.

 

This sprang to mind......It it J for Janitor?

No it is......

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKu-WmkpkIE

 

 

 

TEH

[welsh1]

Still want to trust them to get it right?

 

http://www.pulsetoday.co.uk/thousands-of-summary-care-records-created-without-consent-in-nhs-it-blunder/20001373.article#.UdXcdfm1FVU

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/04/10/nhs-data-blunder-reveals-pregnant-men-statistics_n_1414466.html

 

http://www.itpro.co.uk/636199/nhs-in-more-data-security-blunders

 

The NHS has a long history of computer blunders,if i listed blunders and loss of data from only 2008 then i would fill the page,the ones above are to show a point,and no daily mail in sight.

[Gordon R]

FalconFN - I am only too well aware of what can go wrong in the NHS. I had first hand experience in 2003, when I am told I was an hour from death, due to their incompetence.The NHS failed me badly, but also saved me. I did consider suing them, but didn't feel well enough at the time.

 

Later, when I recovered, I wanted to put it behind me. I saw the bigger picture, but had someone removed organs from one of my sons for example I would have spent the rest of my life seeing justice done.