fabarm gamma boy Posted May 6, 2013 Report Share Posted May 6, 2013 your wife cant purchase cartridges, having said that it is not ilegal for a non cert holder to be given cartridges and own/ or be in posession of them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted May 6, 2013 Report Share Posted May 6, 2013 your wife cant purchase cartridges, having said that it is not ilegal for a non cert holder to be given cartridges and own/ or be in posession of them! She can if you give her a letter of authority.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fabarm gamma boy Posted May 6, 2013 Report Share Posted May 6, 2013 i never knew that. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psyxologos Posted May 6, 2013 Report Share Posted May 6, 2013 I always thought that you show your certificate at the RFD and buy the cartridges. Either yourself of someone with your certificate and a letter of authorisation. I mean, what happens when you get home? Do you lock your shotgun ammunition away as you do with your firearms ammunition and rifles/shotguns? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted May 6, 2013 Report Share Posted May 6, 2013 I have never shown my Cert at a Clay Shoot....or ever been ask to when buying shells there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted May 7, 2013 Report Share Posted May 7, 2013 Dont you feel a bit stupid asking a business man, what his trade secrets are on a open forum, No. If this has been the subject of court proceedings then it's public information so anyone could find out if they wanted to. Realistically you just seem to nit pick at everything and never make a positive contribution just be Mr negative Nope, I don't. People just seem to jump on that bandwagon with me because they want to be seen to be with the crowd, I think; Charles hasn't done this and was perfectly civil. All I have ever said on this thread was to ask as to how this system of selling was legal because on face value it isn't. It clearly isn't legal (on the face of it) as it even ended with a prosecution. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted May 7, 2013 Report Share Posted May 7, 2013 I have never shown my Cert at a Clay Shoot....or ever been ask to when buying shells there. I think that a lot of clay shoots are like target shooting clubs though and that when you pay for ammo you may not actually be buying it. You are merely paying for the use of it as it never actually becomes your legal property. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiep Posted May 7, 2013 Report Share Posted May 7, 2013 All I have ever said on this thread was to ask as to how this system of selling was legal because on face value it isn't. It clearly isn't legal (on the face of it) as it even ended with a prosecution. If it had ended with a conviction, then you would be correct. However, it ended in an acquittal, so you are wrong. The law may or may not be clear, however it has now been confirmed by the court, and becomes case law. It the CPS wanted to take appeal that decision, then they would have been able to. The fact that they did not (they have a very limited time in which to do so) shows that this test case has defined the law. To argue further is pointless. It makes you appear petty, in that you have lost an argument with people you don't know, on the internet, and you still can't let it die. Be a bigger man, and accept that the argument is over Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted May 7, 2013 Report Share Posted May 7, 2013 (edited) If it had ended with a conviction, then you would be correct. However, it ended in an acquittal, so you are wrong. I said 'on the face of it' which is the entire point of the discusion here. I think that even Charles would agree that 'on the face of it' it doesn't appear legal which is why he asked the CPS to bring about a prosecution. I don't recall Charles saying that he was acquitted. From the sound of it the case was either thrown out for 'no case to answer' or was withdrawn by the CPS, or something of that nature. The law may or may not be clear, however it has now been confirmed by the court, and becomes case law. No it doesn't from the description given by Charles. It the CPS wanted to take appeal that decision, then they would have been able to. The fact that they did not (they have a very limited time in which to do so) shows that this test case has defined the law. No it hasn't. J. Edited May 7, 2013 by JonathanL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted May 7, 2013 Report Share Posted May 7, 2013 I think that a lot of clay shoots are like target shooting clubs though and that when you pay for ammo you may not actually be buying it. You are merely paying for the use of it as it never actually becomes your legal property. J. No, you are buying it. You may shoot it on the premises, or take it home. Nothing to stop you taking the shells off site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twistedsanity Posted May 8, 2013 Report Share Posted May 8, 2013 I have never shown my Cert at a Clay Shoot....or ever been ask to when buying shells there. So you frequent shoots that don't care if people have a shotgun cert or not? Good luck with not getting accidently shot by a muppet there! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted May 8, 2013 Report Share Posted May 8, 2013 So you frequent shoots that don't care if people have a shotgun cert or not? Good luck with not getting accidently shot by a muppet there! Yeah because no muppets have certs............http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2236361/Drunk-garage-boss-shot-people-clay-pigeon-shoot-faulty-pump-action-shotgun.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted May 8, 2013 Report Share Posted May 8, 2013 So you frequent shoots that don't care if people have a shotgun cert or not? Good luck with not getting accidently shot by a muppet there! Silly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted May 9, 2013 Report Share Posted May 9, 2013 No, you are buying it. You may shoot it on the premises, or take it home. Nothing to stop you taking the shells off site. If they are selling them to people who do not have, or who do not produce at the time of sale, a shotgun certificate, then they are breaking the law, surely? J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted May 9, 2013 Report Share Posted May 9, 2013 If they are selling them to people who do not have, or who do not produce at the time of sale, a shotgun certificate, then they are breaking the law, surely? J. No as that is what the "exemption" does..........11(6) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted May 9, 2013 Report Share Posted May 9, 2013 your wife cant purchase cartridges, having said that it is not ilegal for a non cert holder to be given cartridges and own/ or be in posession of them! My wife has purchased cartridges on my behalf,all she needs is my SGC and a letter of authority,once purchased all legally on my behalf there is no problem with her possessing them as it is lawful to possess with out a SGC. It's very handy as she pops to her mothers most saturdays and goes past the shop,and i go out shooting,so she can buy carts on the way home and saves me a journey and also lets me go out shooting all day. Win win you may think,but be careful your better half may tot up how much you are spending on carts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted May 10, 2013 Report Share Posted May 10, 2013 just cartridges is a great business model. it is modern and it delivers. what i mean is it has a huge selection. i really mean huge. i think they hold the largest selection of shells in the uk. from most UK and european manufacturers. the only reason i have not used them is one simple fact. i`m never in to recieve a collection. at one point few years ago, it was actually cheaper to reload shells. the local shop stopped selling shells, that was the ammo drought. i ended up just reloading more and more. there is another shop about 20 miles away, but there shells are really expensive. 400/k for 1oz shells. silly thing is then i saved £200/k just by reloading. thats right, the 1oz shells were £10 a box. the shop attendent didnt raise an eyebrow at this price. the shop staff was amazed at my maths of £10 x 40boxes =£400. there clay shells were marginally cheaper, £360/k ! it was also pointed out that it is actually cheaper to reload ! they didnt believe me. JC would have been a clear winner, in this situation. the new shop opened up locally under new name/owner etc, and they take my business now they are prices just right, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted May 12, 2013 Report Share Posted May 12, 2013 No as that is what the "exemption" does..........11(6) No it doesn't. It allows you to use a shotgun. It makes no mention of the selling of cartridges. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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