Foreign aid and benefits.

[neil3728]

Now I only read the online version for a laugh first thing in the morning, but 2 articles have hit a nerve.

 

First one about the £1 Billion we are giving to Nigeria to help fund a space program.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2387338/As-Cameron-attacks-Bongo-Bongo-MEP--How-1billion-cash-used-help-Nigeria-join-space-race.html

 

The second about a man on benefits who with 7 children is demanding a bigger home, alaiming they are sleeping in only 2 bedrooms as their 3 is full of funiture ready for whren they move.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2387188/Parents-seven-children-aged-younger-forced-live-just-bedrooms-council-t-bigger-house.html

 

 

After all the talk recentley about UKIP, maybe they have it right all along, we can give £1 billion to nigeria, when our own NHS is only getting half that over the next few years to help.

 

If we stop all this forign aid and start been seen as a selfish, racist nation hopefully the imigrents won't come and maybe we can turn this country around and make it great again like it once was. As i'm sure we need the £12billion in foreign aid a dame more than some coutries do.

[Malik]

Hmm it doesnt look good at face value. But we arent the government and we dont know the little secrets and information that motivate these decisions.

 

I reckon that oil and gas has a lot to do with decision making. Its a known fact its running out. Great Britain wouldn't be that great without oil or gas, it would come to a stand still.

 

There is a reason these countries are poor. They cant manage themselves properly. With such large oil and gas reserves you could be like the UAE building infrastructure for the future. Alternatively... Let the population be poor and make rocket... Great choice

[huffhuff]

Not quite the same, but an interesting story...

 

I have a friend that takes illegal immigrants back to their country of origin. The UKBA have lots of paperwork to fill out on these flights...giving each immigrant a cash card loaded with £500 (to do with what they want).

[Gimlet]

There is a reason these countries are poor. They cant manage themselves properly. With such large oil and gas reserves you could be like the UAE building infrastructure for the future. Alternatively... Let the population be poor and make rocket... Great choice

 

I doubt Nigeria will ever be like the UAE. It is endemically corrupt, riven by tribalism and contains a human population vastly greater than it can ever sustain from its own land mass, a pattern that is likely to be repeated again and again all round the world in the coming century. Its oil reserves in any case are in large part controlled by criminals and foriegn imperialists, principally China, though I expect we're having a go too in our own little way. There aren't going to be more UAEs in the world, there are going to be more Nigerias and aid makes not the slightest difference.

[ack-ack]

The Nigerian space programme????

 

We'd be better of donating a billion to the Hemel Hempstead lifeboat or the Romney Marsh mountain rescue.

[Gordon R]

The Nigerian space programme - more likely a money laundering scam.

 

Take the money, tell them we are building a space rocket and the fools in the UK will believe it. Then tell them we have a snag with the booster section and need some back-up funds. The fools will send more.

 

Problem is - we probably will. Bit like the e-mail scams, but on a bigger scale.

[Animal Mother]

The most ridiculous thing about this is that the OP reads and believes the Daily Mail.

[Twistedsanity]

Seems like a Good Friday topic , any bets on how many pages it will make before its closed down?

[Malik]

I doubt Nigeria will ever be like the UAE. It is endemically corrupt, riven by tribalism and contains a human population vastly greater than it can ever sustain from its own land mass, a pattern that is likely to be repeated again and again all round the world in the coming century. Its oil reserves in any case are in large part controlled by criminals and foriegn imperialists, principally China, though I expect we're having a go too in our own little way. There aren't going to be more UAEs in the world, there are going to be more Nigerias and aid makes not the slightest difference.

 

Very true. Like i said, it could be... Chances are it never will be. The rebels of the niger delta fight because they dont have hospitals schools or even safe drinking water. Yet they are having billions of pounds worth of oil pumped from under their feet and not seeing a penny spent on infrastructure. Its their internal problem that we could be dragged into... You know what these people are like. Kidnap a foreign oil worker and make the whole world listen.

[Matty7247]

Foreign Aid has always been strange, we give India money for helping them, yet they are able to bid to buy 24 Typhoon jets, they didnt, they ended up buying the French jet. I suppose the money was a sweetner for them to purchase jets and manufactoring from us, but in the end, didnt bother,

[Animal Mother]

Generally, foreign "aid" brings in more money than we give out.

[Pinkella]

There is always an agenda where money is involved and we will wont always find out why until much later on. I do find it frustrating when we don't know where our money going.

[castletyne]

Generally, foreign "aid" brings in more money than we give out.

Is there any proof of that

[Sprackles]

Generally, foreign "aid" brings in more money than we give out.

So the powers that be will have us believe........I actually don't believe a single word that comes out of Camerons mouth...or Cleggs...or Millibands come to that.....

[Animal Mother]

Is there any proof of that

If you understand the system, you'll know that foreign "aid" encourages the recipient country to spend more money on UK exports. To not think so would be naive.

[castletyne]

If you understand the system, you'll know that foreign "aid" encourages the recipient country to spend more money on UK exports. To not think so would be naive.

but is there proof to back this up that more money comes back in that is handed out

 

This could then be presented to the likes of Ukip and dare I mention the Daily Mail

 

Just to encourage a country to deal with you does not mean they will

Edited August 9, 2013 by castletyne

[overandunder2012]

sounds like a nigerian 419 scam

 

my name is priminister i am writing to tell you have 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000 locked away but we need a billion for our space program 1st. please let us have your name and bank details so we can help you get some of the manny billions of minerals we will mine on the moon.

 

they say you cant cheat a honest man,

Edited August 9, 2013 by overandunder2012

[Dead-Eyed Duck]

Foreign Aid has always been strange, we give India money for helping them, yet they are able to bid to buy 24 Typhoon jets, they didnt, they ended up buying the French jet. I suppose the money was a sweetner for them to purchase jets and manufactoring from us, but in the end, didnt bother,

 

So essentially this type of aid is a 'bribe' to encourage purchases from the UK, and if the 'bribe' is not large enough then we do not succeed?

 

Bribery is always a one-way street, and dutch auctions rarely win in the long term - I have been there in a small way.....

 

I can understand that one of the few successes that the UK has is the defence industry, but surely the above would clearly indicate that we must diversify.

[Animal Mother]

 

So essentially this type of aid is a 'bribe' to encourage purchases from the UK, and if the 'bribe' is not large enough then we do not succeed?

 

 

 

Yes, essentially.

 

This PW Member sums it up quite well.

 

For crying out Jesus titty mary christ, this, again?

 

Right Kiddos, I'm going to try and explain it plain and simple with nice short words.

 

"Aid" = Bribes. Bribes for British business contracts. British business contracts = Tax money. Tax money = GOOD. (For all of us, believe it or not)

 

I'd like to say it's about charity, but it's not. It's about giving ******* ****** loads of money to corrupt officials and rebel generals so when lush new oil/mining/defense contracts become available, we've already got our foot in the door.

 

Why do you think out of all the rebelling nations in the world that we largeley ignore, why do we have the US/UK behind Syrian rebels and Chinia/Russia behind the Syrian Government? because the winner gets oil, oil = £. If China and Russia was buddied up with the Rebels, we'd be supporting the Government.

 

The fact he's got as high as he has in UKIP and he doesn't understand this is simply frighting.

 

I now want every single person who continues to think aid is a waste of money (even though it produces more money in the long run) to explain to me why.

[Gimlet]

If you understand the system, you'll know that foreign "aid" encourages the recipient country to spend more money on UK exports. To not think so would be naive.

 

Encourages not gurantees. The danger in casting spratts to catch mackerel is that the mackerel grow fat at your expense and you go homes empty handed and out of pocket. Especially risky when the money is borrowed to begin with.

In any case bribing foreign governments to encourage trade with British private companies using money that will have to be repaid by tax payers is little more than embezzlement, particularly when those "British" companies will have a high percentage, if not a majority of overseas share holders. The entire system in crooked.

[al4x]

Ok what companies are pulling oil out of Nigeria? are they or are they not largely based here and paying corporation tax here with much of their shareholdings being UK pension funds

[Animal Mother]

 

Encourages not gurantees. The danger in casting spratts to catch mackerel is that the mackerel grow fat at your expense and you go homes empty handed and out of pocket. Especially risky when the money is borrowed to begin with.

In any case bribing foreign governments to encourage trade with British private companies using money that will have to be repaid by tax payers is little more than embezzlement, particularly when those "British" companies will have a high percentage, if not a majority of overseas share holders. The entire system in crooked.

I'm not saying it's a good thing, I'm just saying that it happens. It's the way of things and it keeps Prince Andrew busy.

[Gordon R]

If you understand the system, you'll know that foreign "aid" encourages the recipient country to spend more money on UK exports. To not think so would be naive.

 

Perhaps the most stupid statement I have seen in some time. As for calling others naïve - do me a favour. :lol:

 

But then again:-

 

"Generally, foreign "aid" brings in more money than we give out." rivals it all the way.

Edited August 9, 2013 by Gordon R

[Malik]

Ok what companies are pulling oil out of Nigeria? are they or are they not largely based here and paying corporation tax here with much of their shareholdings being UK pension funds

you see the bigger picture.

[Animal Mother]

 

Perhaps the most stupid statement I have seen in some time. As for calling others naïve - do me a favour. :lol:

 

But then again:-

 

"Generally, foreign "aid" brings in more money than we give out." rivals it all the way.

I think you are confusing me with someone who gives a ****.

...and the fact that there's a swear filter on here is ******* hilarious. Are you all so delicate?