deaquire Posted October 2, 2013 Report Share Posted October 2, 2013 This is my CZ 455 .17HMR-it's a beautiful rifle. image.jpg How much did you pay for the extended mag and where from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salop Matt Posted October 2, 2013 Report Share Posted October 2, 2013 Rifle wise I would get a CZ either 452 or 455 really wont make much difference. If you can afford to get both rifles at once thats great if not go .17hmr first. Also a SAK mod is more than sufficient for both but get one for each calibre and remember to remove them in storage. ATB Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted October 2, 2013 Report Share Posted October 2, 2013 (edited) Priceless ..... Were they really baited to a dog bowl with Pedigree Chum? Pretty much, but cheap dog food, not difficult really, and your country fox can also be baited in similar manner quite often as well! I was expecting a post with an opened up rabbit but looks from your background like they might just be more used to dog bowls..... rabbits, pigeon, etc., have their uses as well, work to the situation! Well done Bowl of dog food is commonly what goes in the traps as well....... Edited October 2, 2013 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted October 2, 2013 Report Share Posted October 2, 2013 Get rid of as many of you can Dekers so our local hunt master don't get his mits on them and then dump them on me! U. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicykillgaz Posted October 2, 2013 Report Share Posted October 2, 2013 What stock have you got on that chap? looks nice! Cheers mate. It was a boyds RVT thumbhole in forest camo but I've gone back to a factory stock as although extremely comfortable to use I just prefere standard stocks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
telf Posted October 2, 2013 Report Share Posted October 2, 2013 (edited) i dont think you can beat the .22 rimmy for rabbits and ok for the occasional walked on fox,i have/had both calibers and sold both the hmrs ive had and have now settled on two .22s,one for day shooting and one night shooting, i get alot more satisfaction head shooting a rabbit at 120yds with a .22 knowing that you have spent time and effort getting to know your holdover points rather than just point and shoot with the hmr,plus the 22 is cheaper to run, alot quieter and is ideal for learning and keeping your feildcraft up to scratch Edited October 2, 2013 by telf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted October 2, 2013 Report Share Posted October 2, 2013 i dont think you can beat the .22 rimmy for rabbits and ok for the occasional walked on fox,i have/had both calibers and sold both the hmrs ive had and have now settled on two .22s,one for day shooting and one night shooting, i get alot more satisfaction head shooting a rabbit at 120yds with a .22 knowing that you have spent time and effort getting to know your holdover points rather than just point and shoot with the hmr,plus the 22 is cheaper to run, alot quieter and is ideal for learning and keepiong your feildcraft up to scratch That makes alot of sense pal.....more is not always better! I dropped down in size from a few large centerfires to just a 357 and don't regret it one bit. In fact it has taken alot of presure off me! U. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted October 2, 2013 Report Share Posted October 2, 2013 This 22 shot was about a 50yd chest shot with a winnie sub from an old BSA. The fox made 20yds or so and died. About a year ago. U. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
telf Posted October 2, 2013 Report Share Posted October 2, 2013 ive shot 2 foxes with the 22 with winnie subs,both about 40-50 yds,heartshot,both made it about 5yds and died,i would probably go to 70-80yds on fox with the 22 but no more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 ive shot 2 foxes with the 22 with winnie subs,both about 40-50 yds,heartshot,both made it about 5yds and died,i would probably go to 70-80yds on fox with the 22 but no more No criticism but this makes my point earlier 40-50 yds the 12ga with appropriate shot will wreck them with boiler room placement and it can be done confidently while they are running to boot. The .22 rf is a such a tool of opportunity when the correct placement and range offers itself up, not really one to go actually looking for foxes with same with the HMR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
telf Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 totally agree with that,the 2 foxes i have shot with the 22 were just oppertunistic foxes that i just happened on at the right distance,i wouldnt use it for fox shooting as such, but if the chance arises and in range then its there to be taken,the same applies to the hmr imho ,but i wouldnt class either as a full time fox gun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicykillgaz Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 I suppose it depends on the layout of your land as to if you can use a rimfire as your permanent fox tool, my old man use to take 2-3 a month for over a year when he first got his ticket with a .22lr. There was plenty of places to ambush them and places to bait up with any rabbits we'd shoot so it's definitely a decent option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dadioles Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 I said earlier.... In my view both are suitable for "opportunistic" fox but only head shots at relatively close range (50 yards?). and yes, using "opportunistic" was a rather a poor choice of words. Rimfire is my weapon of choice for close range fox, particularly in an urban setting. What I was getting at is that if the OP wants a gun for fox, he needs to be careful what he says to his feo as many police forces will not (in my view wrongly) allow rimfire for fox. The police do not seem to understand that any gun is suitable against fox when used appropriately. Hence the need for "any other lawful quarry". I have just been asked by my local council to "get rid of" the foxes damaging graves in the village cemetery but unfortunately after inspecting it I don't consider it safe. There are too many hard surfaces and close proximity of houses. A great shame though. Even trapping is probably not on as the cages are not all that discrete and it only takes a few nosey neighbours who see the foxes as "pets" to stir things up and make life very uncomfortable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 Bowl of dog food is commonly what goes in the traps as well....... FoxCaged 004a.jpg Poor fella. I always feel sorry for them when I see them in cage traps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r1steele Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 I said earlier.... In my view both are suitable for "opportunistic" fox but only head shots at relatively close range (50 yards?). and yes, using "opportunistic" was a rather a poor choice of words. Rimfire is my weapon of choice for close range fox, particularly in an urban setting. What I was getting at is that if the OP wants a gun for fox, he needs to be careful what he says to his feo as many police forces will not (in my view wrongly) allow rimfire for fox. The police do not seem to understand that any gun is suitable against fox when used appropriately. Hence the need for "any other lawful quarry". I have just been asked by my local council to "get rid of" the foxes damaging graves in the village cemetery but unfortunately after inspecting it I don't consider it safe. There are too many hard surfaces and close proximity of houses. A great shame though. Even trapping is probably not on as the cages are not all that discrete and it only takes a few nosey neighbours who see the foxes as "pets" to stir things up and make life very uncomfortable. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicykillgaz Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 (edited) "What I was getting at is that if the OP wants a gun for fox, he needs to be careful what he says to his feo as many police forces will not (in my view wrongly) allow rimfire for fox. The police do not seem to understand that any gun is suitable against fox when used appropriately. Hence the need for "any other lawful quarry". I asked if I could have my .22lr conditioned for fox at my renewal earlier this year and was told I didn't need to as fox is vermin and my .22 is for vermin. It's crazy that some forces can't grasp it. Thank god I'm lucky enough to have a good firearms officer who knows his stuff and has common sense. I agree though short range it's perfect anything else get something bigger. Edited October 3, 2013 by bicykillgaz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 If I may be permitted fellers....I can not recomend a head shot to a fox with a 22 any more than I can to a deer with a larger rifle....yes I have done it many times but really if you want to kill it put it through the ribs....it won't be far away, but a smashed jaw! U Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 If I may be permitted fellers....I can not recomend a head shot to a fox with a 22 any more than I can to a deer with a larger rifle....yes I have done it many times but really if you want to kill it put it through the ribs....it won't be far away, but a smashed jaw! U I'd have to say any shot can go wrong with any calibre! It is not just head shots that can go wrong, a gut shot fox may well disappear to a slow death as well, but ok, we are playing the % game here!! My view would be shoot to your ability or preference, the tool in your hand and the situation, there are plenty of shots where the fox presents very well for the head, and times it doesn't. Most of my close range baited foxes fall to a head shot, medium range, as they present, and it will tend to be the opportunist (is that the latest PW buzz word) long range fox I may stumble across that gets a more generally placed shot with a heavier calibre! Frankly, if I can get them with head slightly down and chest behind that is favourite in pretty much all situations, they will quite often oblige with this sitting looking at you and then drop the head. Maximum damage to head and chest whatever calibre you use. I've also taken a handful walking directly away from me as well, so head and heart are not the only options that work! And not many would blow the head off a medal deer whatever, but the Game dealer wants, and pays better for head shot deer! ATB! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r1steele Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 I'd have to say any shot can go wrong with any calibre! It is not just head shots that can go wrong, a gut shot fox may well disappear to a slow death as well, but ok, we are playing the % game here!! My view would be shoot to your ability or preference, the tool in your hand and the situation, there are plenty of shots where the fox presents very well for the head, and times it doesn't. Most of my close range baited foxes fall to a head shot, medium range, as they present, and it will tend to be the opportunist (is that the latest PW buzz word) long range fox I may stumble across that gets a more generally placed shot with a heavier calibre! Frankly, if I can get them with head slightly down and chest behind that is favourite in pretty much all situations, they will quite often oblige with this sitting looking at you and then drop the head. Maximum damage to head and chest whatever calibre you use. I've also taken a handful walking directly away from me as well, so head and heart are not the only options that work! And not many would blow the head off a medal deer whatever, but the Game dealer wants, and pays better for head shot deer! ATB! +1 Like you said, a fox sitting in long grass is a head shot otherwise you wouldn't get a shot off and a fox sitting looking straight at you presents quite a big kill zone if you take the head/neck/chest. People are always saying they are cloverleafing at 100yds etc so if you cannot get a decent head shot at 50yds there is something wrong. Before anyone says it, yes I know an animals head tends to move a lot more than the rest of it's body but head shooting rabbits seems to work for most people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted October 4, 2013 Report Share Posted October 4, 2013 I agree to all the above and very well put it is too. I was hoping to avoid a generalisation that a 22 should only be used on a fox's noggin. Atb. U. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted October 4, 2013 Report Share Posted October 4, 2013 I agree to all the above and very well put it is too. I was hoping to avoid a generalisation that a 22 should only be used on a fox's noggin. Atb. U. I see, and agree! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r1steele Posted October 4, 2013 Report Share Posted October 4, 2013 I agree to all the above and very well put it is too. I was hoping to avoid a generalisation that a 22 should only be used on a fox's noggin. Atb. U. Fair comment and yes your right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted October 4, 2013 Report Share Posted October 4, 2013 Time for a group hug? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted October 4, 2013 Report Share Posted October 4, 2013 Time for a group hug? ahhhrrr come ere' U. Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r1steele Posted October 4, 2013 Report Share Posted October 4, 2013 Time for a group hug? Is this a first? More than 2 people agreeing on a subject that involves rimfires for foxes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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