delburt0 Posted October 2, 2013 Report Share Posted October 2, 2013 If there had been one biker involved it would have resulted in the biker he ran over and left for dead being in intensive care and the car driver never found. The story would never have made the news as it wouldn't have been so unusual. We'd never have heard of it and this thread would never have existed. if the bikers were not riding in such a stupid amount like a bunch of idiots I dare say he would have not been hit in the first place, and it was probably his lack of riding ability that got him ran over in the first place, we won't know and no one can defend the ran over biker or driver as we have not seen the whole picture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old rooster Posted October 2, 2013 Report Share Posted October 2, 2013 OR alternatively, it would have ended up with the driver of the Range Rover pulling over, helping out the rider by applying first aid and calling an ambulance, but then feeling terrible for the rest of his life due to the fact the rider was dead. And all maybe because the motorcyclist was a clown on the road?? You don't know and neither do I so why speculate? Bottom line is no one knows on here what happened before the filming started! And for sure no one knows what the range rover driver would have done had there not been a pack of cave men on motorbikes chasing him and his family!! If "you don't know and neither do I so why speculate" why have you speculated in detail?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delburt0 Posted October 2, 2013 Report Share Posted October 2, 2013 (edited) If "you don't know and neither do I so why speculate" why have you speculated in detail?? i do believe it was you that started the speculation sir about biker been left for dead.Atb delburt0 Edited October 2, 2013 by delburt0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peskyfoxs Posted October 2, 2013 Report Share Posted October 2, 2013 Update http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2440049/Motorcyclist-turns-police-biker-paralyzed-life-NYC-chase.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted October 2, 2013 Report Share Posted October 2, 2013 (edited) He hit a biker off, then tried to get away... Is that not hit and run? Why not stay at the scence and wait for the police. If a friend of mine or even a rider in the street was a victim of a hit and run. Id think about chasing them. Not letting them get away until the police come. Or better still, get their number plate. I think a sterotypical picture has been painted here, maybe wrongly as well. Family man with wife and child A male/female with a group of other riders. Hit and run is wrong no matter who you are. Deciding not to face the coinsquences of an accident and deciding to run is far worse. It makes the situation worse when you decide to knock a load more bikers off. In my opinion, although its not the action i would of taken. He deserved to have his windows put in. Well said That excuse could well be made by the scamers who do it all the time pull in front of you and slow down quickly. Also the bikers that smashed the rangrovers windows and beat the guy up was very lucky as lots of people in the us have car guns and for protection. Edited October 2, 2013 by four-wheel-drive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m3vert Posted October 2, 2013 Report Share Posted October 2, 2013 If "you don't know and neither do I so why speculate" why have you speculated in detail?? I wasn't speculating! I was giving an alternative ending to your thread! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delburt0 Posted October 2, 2013 Report Share Posted October 2, 2013 Quite sad really feel a bit sorry for the driver he must have been carping it quote ~ Cruz has been arrested for reckless endangerment and reckless driving He will have to live with this for the rest of his life due to the actions of 100 or so bikers if the guy he ran over had not been chasing him like a missing link , he would be fine, who's fault bikers or driver..maybe time for a poll .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malik Posted October 2, 2013 Report Share Posted October 2, 2013 (edited) I hope the driver gets prosecuted. He has destroyed someones life if that guy does end up paralysed Quite sad really feel a bit sorry for the driver he must have been carping it quote ~ Cruz has been arrested for reckless endangerment and reckless driving He will have to live with this for the rest of his life due to the actions of 100 or so bikers if the guy he ran over had not been chasing him like a missing link , he would be fine, who's fault bikers or driver..maybe time for a poll .. Drivers, he still did a hit and run! Edited October 2, 2013 by Malik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted October 2, 2013 Report Share Posted October 2, 2013 OR alternatively, it would have ended up with the driver of the Range Rover pulling over, helping out the rider by applying first aid and calling an ambulance, but then feeling terrible for the rest of his life due to the fact the rider was dead. And all maybe because the motorcyclist was a clown on the road?? You don't know and neither do I so why speculate? Bottom line is no one knows on here what happened before the filming started! And for sure no one knows what the range rover driver would have done had there not been a pack of cave men on motorbikes chasing him and his family!! Is the correct answer until further notice. We simply do not know what sort of language the bikers used to entice the driver to get out of his car and follow normal accident protocol. He panicked and tried to flee the unusually large number of angelic faced good samaritans on wheels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted October 2, 2013 Report Share Posted October 2, 2013 (edited) It's a bit haphazard - but it sounds like these bikers (along with hundreds of others) were going to NYC for a bit of a jolly at times square. The police put and end to that. The bikers drove around this guys Range Rover braking closely to him, and the driver accidentally bumped one of them. The bikers then started bashing the car - and slashed his tyres - he got scared, drove off. They pursued, surrounded him and stopped him. He got even more scared - perhaps panicked, then drove over one of the bikers to get away. They caught up with him, broke his window, dragged him out and gave him a thumping. Personally, I think the driver was justified. Remember too - all this video came from one of the bikers helmet cam. It was (presumably) edited and then uploaded. The fact that the driver was not charged speaks for itself. Edited October 2, 2013 by aris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old rooster Posted October 2, 2013 Report Share Posted October 2, 2013 I wasn't speculating! I was giving an alternative ending to your thread! So how is that any less speculative than my comments? It isn't actually my thread anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deaquire Posted October 2, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2013 With all things considered, maybe justice has been served? We can only speculate on the facts from the video. The fella on the motorbike was stupid enough to brake when being followed by a vehicle several times his size and weight with very high ground clearance. If that same man is unable to walk again, does he really deserve to never walk though? That being said - poke a lion, you're gunna get eaten. On the flip side, if you paralyze a man, do you deserve a kicking? Well, you've most likely got it coming, wherever you live. I don't think either party deserved to be terrorised or to be paralised. There are enough videos on youtube to know these bike rallies end with trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted October 2, 2013 Report Share Posted October 2, 2013 maybe if the car driver had stopped when he hit the first bike things wouldn't have escalated? maybe he would be dead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevo Posted October 2, 2013 Report Share Posted October 2, 2013 Range Rover ........... The best 4X4 by far !! I would have done the same , only I would have reversed before pulling away !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old rooster Posted October 2, 2013 Report Share Posted October 2, 2013 Some wonderful, warm, kind human beings coming out of the woodwork LOL My own observations weren't aimed at justifying what the idiots in the video clip were doing, either in the car or on the bikes, more on how things can get here in the UK. I certainly wouldn't want to be associated with the "bikers" in the video but do know people here who have been victims of hit and run car drivers, one in particular was stopped at traffic lights when a car ploughed into the back of him and drove off. Somewhat ironically the registration plate was knocked off the car involved but the police couldn't trace it as it was a dodgy number. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevo Posted October 2, 2013 Report Share Posted October 2, 2013 (edited) the bloke had his wife in the car and a 5 month old baby , I think he was perfectly justified in fearing for his family , what he did was pure gut reaction and I belive any real man would have done anything to protect his family , fact is , yes he my have gone into the rider , but that could have been a genuine accident , the way the bikers reacted was bang out of order stevo Edited October 2, 2013 by stevo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deaquire Posted October 2, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2013 the bloke had his wife in the car and a 5 month old baby , I think he was perfectly justified in fearing for his family , what he did was pure gut reaction and I belive any real man would have done anything to protect his family , fact is , yes he my have gone into the rider , but that could have been a genuine accident , the way the bikers reacted was bang out of order stevo But to begin with, we don't see how they react. Maybe they walk upto the window for a chat and the driver panics and ploughs through. Maybe one of the bikers is carrying a weapon that the range rover driver sees and causes him to plant it? Maybe maybe maybe maybe. If it had been your mate who was run over, wouldn't you have gone after him hell for leather? We can't know all the facts here, I only posted it as I thought the whole thing to be absolutely crazy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeds chimp Posted October 2, 2013 Report Share Posted October 2, 2013 always two sides to any story and think we only getting one and a half Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted October 2, 2013 Report Share Posted October 2, 2013 dont who these bikers were they could be office workers out for a sunday ride but outlaw bike gangs are a different breed in the usa to what we have here if that was the case he would have been very much in danger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lincs1963 Posted October 2, 2013 Report Share Posted October 2, 2013 I'm sure there are plenty of good bikers. The ones which i see are the ones who weave through traffic between lanes with only inches to spare - and give you a dirty look if you don't move over or them to pass between two cars. Filtering through traffic is quite legal, as I'm sure you are aware. Most drivers have the good manners to leave space for bikes but some seem to have the attitude that if I'm stuck in traffic, so are you. This video clip has appeared on many of the biking forums and the opinions are as split on them as they are on here. No part of what happened is excusable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted October 2, 2013 Report Share Posted October 2, 2013 The usual response from people who are too scared to ride a bike. Bikers would be less likely to become 'organ donors' as you put it if other road users were more aware of them and didn't text, shave, read the paper etc while driving. The thing with a bike is your attention is focused, very few distractions inside a crash helmet. This thread could go round and round forever, up to now nobody on this forum knows what led to the incident. From the video both parties appear to have overreacted to whatever started things. I just hope all concerned recover quickly and justice is done. ATB, Neil (lifelong biker) I agree Neil, but the other side of things is where on the A65 getting close to Kirby Lonsdale I have bikers sat 2 ft from my rear bumper or worse, in my blind spot, they then hop round me and brake, forcing me to brake and nearly getting another one up my back. On the motorway I get cut up on the inside when I can't pull back into lane 1 or 2 and in slow traffic I am happy to help bikes filter but every so often I get one on each side. I am not saying all bikers are like this and i'm sure you don't cast all car drivers into the same group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted October 2, 2013 Report Share Posted October 2, 2013 According to a poster on the sky news website, the bikers had been riding down the wrong side of the road and on the pavement just before this happened. The guy who brake tested the RR caused another guy behind the RR to hit it. The guy who was paralysed ( according to news reports) was not the brake tester but another chap who was run over when the RR booted it to get away. I stress this is taken from a poster on sky news and I am not taking sides here. One question- why were the bikers across all the lanes and not in single file or only a lane width wide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted October 2, 2013 Report Share Posted October 2, 2013 If the bikers wanted this guy to stop they could have done it in a much less threatening manner. If I was surrounded by a gang of angry blokes I would have reacted in the same way. They could have slowed down a lot more progressively if they wanted him to stop, and could have held him there without approaching and scaring him until the police arrived. Lets face it, no matter what the guy has or hasn't done, he's not going to sit in the middle of a crowd of angry bikers and hope they're all friendly. The only thing I would have done differently would be to avoid driving fast into areas where he was forced to stop. He'd have been much safer if he kept rolling and called for help I once suffered road rage by a huge meat head of a lad on a moped. Stopped at traffic lights with the window down in summer he stated that he was going to "rip my head off" for daring to pass him, and to be fair he easily would have if I'd have taken him up on his offer of a fight. All I could think of at the time was to suggest that he was very vulnerable and that he should calm down and leave me alone otherwise a couple of tons of Defender would wipe out him and his 'ped before he had time to blink. Luckily he had enough common sense to see that making threats wasn't a great plan for a bloke in his position and we both went on our way. If he had hit me at that point and tried to stop me from getting away I would have squashed him, no question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted October 2, 2013 Report Share Posted October 2, 2013 (edited) He could not roll away - the bikers slashed his tyres. That's why he came off the road he was on - he had no tyres. Edited October 2, 2013 by aris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Mongrel- Posted October 2, 2013 Report Share Posted October 2, 2013 I would have run over as many as possible that got in my way or was causing a threat they get infront of you and jump on the brakes they deserve it if they are stupid enough to do this they should carry the consequences , he was protecting his family, Wonder if there had been 1 biker involved it would have happened (think not) cowardly bunch of retards springs to mind, can only wonder why drive into the Bronx where it was conjested I'd have stopped on the freeway and rang chips macho and ponch would have seen em off And the scary thing is that with an attitude like this, in all likelihood you have guns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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