welshwarrior Posted October 21, 2013 Report Share Posted October 21, 2013 I agree with HDAV expect 6 I'm not convinced most move on to a 12 those that want to shoot clay competitively club or above level do but loads stay with 20s and enjoy the lighter gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rwade545 Posted October 21, 2013 Report Share Posted October 21, 2013 Not my gun but could be a nice buy for some one looking for a shortened, light weight beretta in 12g. http://www.guntrader.co.uk/Guns-For-Sale/Beretta_Shotgun_Ultralight_For-Sale_131014145808892 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peteri Posted October 22, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2013 Thanks - email sent to that chap, although just about as far away as it could be from me. Ultralight is an interesting idea - currently I'd say that's the favourite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted October 22, 2013 Report Share Posted October 22, 2013 Dont know cambridge, glad your shooting well with it... Having some experience in the field of introducing ladies to shooting this is what i found. 1) gun weight is a big issue the first time out but gets less so as muscle memory is built but weight helps soak up recoil (+1 but so does length and balance, front heavy guns are common and handle differently. suposedly thats why 20gauge guns are better for small frames, 20gauge 24" guns handle incredibly fast. 2) choice of underwear is critical as is footwear what colour do you recomend? i try and use my lucky pants 3) a raised comb often helps an adjustable is best 4) 21g from a 12 gauge kicks as much 21g from a 20g but it costs less that is completely correct. although availability can and will be an issue. if you can feed a 20 with soft ammo consistently you are doing well, i havent used the same shells since availability is up and down. choosing a gun on the possibility of ammo selection is a mistake. if the soft 20gauge loads are not available the 1oz loads may be like traditional game loads #7. not ideal 5) a balanced gun is better than unbalanced, shortening the stock often unbalances the gun making it barrel heavy...... 6) most women shooters start on a 20 bore then progress to a 12... these ultralight guns are great fast handling guns, but, the drawback is, they do recoil some more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrowningDJC Posted October 22, 2013 Report Share Posted October 22, 2013 My younger sister has always shot a 20, although big enough for a 12 she finds the slimmer 20 bore much easier and more comfortable to handle. She also doesnt like loading semi autos, she got on very well with my maxus. I agree on the recoil front theres nothing in a 12 or 20, obviously depending on load. But i think for some ladies its the physical size of a 20 bore gun being much less of a lump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted October 22, 2013 Report Share Posted October 22, 2013 The underwear comment refers to braziers rather than pants One thing I didn't mention is the size of the forend some ladies struggle with the width of a 12 gauge forend. However not all 20's are slimmer, lighter or more suitable than a 12..... It's getting the right gun rather than a particular bore........ Older lightweight game and skeet guns with fixed chokes and 26" tubes can be ideal. In either 12 or 20... My choice would be to look for a 12 as shells cheaper, more choice of guns available and generally cheaper. Then take it to a good gunsmith stocker and have it fitted, this can include raising the comb/having adjustable comb, having a good recoil pad fitted and getting the stock cut straight/slight under cut. A female friend has a 12gauge 28" beretta 686 with adjustable comb and kickeez. Ideal (she was previously convinced only a 20 gauge would be ok) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted October 22, 2013 Report Share Posted October 22, 2013 The underwear comment refers to braziers rather than pants i dont have a lucky bra ? should i???? One thing I didn't mention is the size of the forend some ladies struggle with the width of a 12 gauge forend. However not all 20's are slimmer, lighter or more suitable than a 12..... It's getting the right gun rather than a particular bore........ Older lightweight game and skeet guns with fixed chokes and 26" tubes can be ideal. In either 12 or 20... My choice would be to look for a 12 as shells cheaper, more choice of guns available and generally cheaper. Then take it to a good gunsmith stocker and have it fitted, this can include raising the comb/having adjustable comb, having a good recoil pad fitted and getting the stock cut straight/slight under cut. A female friend has a 12gauge 28" beretta 686 with adjustable comb and kickeez. Ideal (she was previously convinced only a 20 gauge would be ok) you are spot on, some old style guns are awesome, 24-26" 20gauge are really a joy to shoot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peteri Posted October 22, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2013 HDAV - thanks, I think that's a good comment - and actually is what we'll be looking for: a gun (likely a 12 bore, but maybe not) that is the right weight and width. Finding a gunsmith to make the stock and balance work Any recommendations for one of those in the Bedford/Northampton/Cambridge/Milton Keynes sort of area? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted October 22, 2013 Report Share Posted October 22, 2013 I have seen some lovely light old school skeet guns with a little choke imp cylinder and 1/4 that would be great guns for the right lady with 26" barrels. I do prefer to teach lady's and young teenagers with a 20 bore and have access to a beretta 686 20 with 26" barrels 1/4 1/4 and a high comb very easy gun for them to shoot well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehb102 Posted October 22, 2013 Report Share Posted October 22, 2013 The underwear comment refers to braziers rather than pants I am chuckling over the thought of ladies warming their hands before shooting ;-) Yes, a sports brassiere is a jolly good idea because the clips tend to be on the back rather than the front. One thing I didn't mention is the size of the forend some ladies struggle with the width of a 12 gauge forend. However not all 20's are slimmer, lighter or more suitable than a 12..... It's getting the right gun rather than a particular bore........ Older lightweight game and skeet guns with fixed chokes and 26" tubes can be ideal. In either 12 or 20... My choice would be to look for a 12 as shells cheaper, more choice of guns available and generally cheaper. Then take it to a good gunsmith stocker and have it fitted, this can include raising the comb/having adjustable comb, having a good recoil pad fitted and getting the stock cut straight/slight under cut. Sensible advice. I went for a Browning because I didn't like the Beretta forestocks, they felt wide to me. Yet my lady friends adore the Silver Pigeon and have bought it in 20G and 12G, depending on preference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunman Posted October 22, 2013 Report Share Posted October 22, 2013 Without meeting the lady concerned It would be wrong giving advice other than in the most general terms . See if you can find other lady shooters , see what they shoot and possibly ask if your lady could handle their guns . Might give you abetter idea . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted October 22, 2013 Report Share Posted October 22, 2013 Yes as gunman says it's the say as a bloke buying a gun she need to try as many as she can some will be horrible some will be lovely one may even feel perfect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peteri Posted October 22, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2013 Good advice - the trial continues tomorrow and next Wednesday (thanks Liz!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted October 22, 2013 Report Share Posted October 22, 2013 Not a great pick but this is friends stock (female, petite 5'4"-6") Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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