wymberley Posted December 12, 2013 Report Share Posted December 12, 2013 Thats gone over my head sorry I must be thick today!! The 720yd hare was for real and witnessed by more than one person at the time. The gun was actually a K Hornet and home loads used. Ah! Sorry, I thought you were joking. Consequently, could I respectfully suggest, that as I have done to mine, it might be prudent to delete your two posts in the interests conviviality. I'd noted your joining date and figured (wrongly) that you'd understand. Cheers, Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted December 12, 2013 Report Share Posted December 12, 2013 Firstly how the heck can you speak on something you don't actually take part in with any real authority on the subject The cost of the gear don't need to be much and most buy primers and powder in large quantities and bullets as many as they can hold, few buy 500 - 1000 factory in one bash as its just very expensive. Keeping a stock of say 500 in components is very reasonable by comparison and 1000 if your permitted not prohibitive - I know precisely nobody who keeps a stock of 1000 personal factory centre fire from a cost basis alone. Of course its only the bullets themselves that your limited on no limits on powder, primers and brass, saving a lot of time and fuel Others have put forwards the cost of components at todays rate and I politely suggest you listen to them for the facts! When I worked out cost I managed to get it to HMR prices (indeed slightly below) at that time and as most like myself re-load for all their rifles, I had to invest only in two dies about what it might cost for one or two trips to the RFD buying factory in smaller batches. My other gear has paid me back 20 or 30 times over You cannot compare Hornet with .243 / .308 on reloading costs (factory v home) so the whole roughly half the price calc. is out the window. reasons are your using only around 1/4 of the powder, brass is way cheaper as are bullets and to be Honest I don't even use my big press to load the hornet ( I feel it counter productive) and know a few who don't even use scales with LilGun just fill the cases and level them off! The only thing you cannot measure is the value of time though the satisfaction of getting stellar performance from your hand tailored loads is reward enough for most and it sure beats watching soaps on TV or playing computer games What planet are you on? I can tell you how much a Range rover costs, list price, and the best retail I can buy it for, I don't have the make the things to tell you that. It is very easy to look up the price of brass, primers, powders, etc, (perhaps you should try it some time) and also reloading equipment, on top of that I actually get reloaded ammo from two guys, you can live in whatever fantasy world you like, if you can reload a Hornet for 20p (HMR can still be had for £10x50) show me the parts, prices and suppliers!! I stand by every word of #21............... I don't reload but, component pricing is quite simple to work out, whichever way you look at it its going to cost more than HMR, 30-40p is a reasonable suggestion, discuss/debate how you wish to make allowance for capital equipment involved as well! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alendil Posted December 12, 2013 Report Share Posted December 12, 2013 good prices are at Henry Kranks. my lockal bullet stockist is selling sierra bullets for 22gbp and henry kranks for 14.10 gbp so if i will take more than 200 its free travel. my reloading kit so far cost me 48.50 gbp over 750 rounds that is 6p extra to cost of reloading each round. and price of .17 hmr around Darlington, Leyburn and Northallerton is about 13-14 gbp. same as home load hornet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted December 12, 2013 Report Share Posted December 12, 2013 (edited) good prices are at Henry Kranks. my lockal bullet stockist is selling sierra bullets for 22gbp and henry kranks for 14.10 gbp so if i will take more than 200 its free travel. my reloading kit so far cost me 48.50 gbp over 750 rounds that is 6p extra to cost of reloading each round. and price of .17 hmr around Darlington, Leyburn and Northallerton is about 13-14 gbp. same as home load hornet If that is a response to mine you have already listed 27p for ammo costs, at 10x reloads per case, plus 6p for equipment is 33p. Fine, I am happy for you, but you are getting a good price on pretty much everything there and using a case 10x, and the price still comes out where I said, 30-40p is a reasonable suggestion. As with all things there will be a price spread around the country, you appear to be doing well, others will not be so fortunate, and frankly I can see it costing some people over 50p each to reload Hornet. Some people may be able to get HMR LESS than 20p, certainly 20g IS available less, 16p actually, http://www.fieldsportsequipe.co.uk/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&page=shop.browse&category_id=76&Itemid=1 whichever way you want to look at it the average HMR price will be less than the average Hornet reloaded price! Hornady HMR 17g V-Max Blue is actually £10.50, my way, 21p each! ATB! Edited December 12, 2013 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alendil Posted December 12, 2013 Report Share Posted December 12, 2013 If that is a response to mine you have already listed 27p for ammo costs, at 10x reloads per case, plus 6p for equipment is 33p. Fine, I am happy for you, but you are getting a good price on pretty much everything there and using a case 10x, and the price still comes out where I said, 30-40p is a reasonable suggestion. Yep that is correct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted December 12, 2013 Report Share Posted December 12, 2013 You know there aint no point in this because you can make numbers say anything you want, try adding petrol and numbers of trips to purchase more factory rounds, bet nobody buys 1000 cf in one go, if its 100 a go that's ten visits and then add in price rises, availability and the not so significant wallet emptying each time. Assets such as reloading kit can be either written down or sold on at a profit. I seriously doubt aledil wont get his money back for the kit as such his cost is the interest the banks don't pay these days . One minute you don't reload then you do, were do we stop When I bought my first batch of Hornet bullets they were £11 per hundred and a 1lb can of LIlGun under £30, I have 1000's of primers and only wish I had bought a full box of powder canisters at the same time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted December 12, 2013 Report Share Posted December 12, 2013 (edited) You know there aint no point in this because you can make numbers say anything you want, try adding petrol and numbers of trips to purchase more factory rounds, bet nobody buys 1000 cf in one go, if its 100 a go that's ten visits and then add in price rises, availability and the not so significant wallet emptying each time. Assets such as reloading kit can be either written down or sold on at a profit. I seriously doubt aledil wont get his money back for the kit as such his cost is the interest the banks don't pay these days . One minute you don't reload then you do, were do we stop When I bought my first batch of Hornet bullets they were £11 per hundred and a 1lb can of LIlGun under £30, I have 1000's of primers and only wish I had bought a full box of powder canisters at the same time What are you talking about? What has anybody buying 1000 cf got to do with reloading price of Hornet V HMR purchase price, and what has the price of Hornet bullets back in the time of the arc got to do with costs today?? I don't reload, is your problem Dementia or did you simply fail maths and comprehension at school? I pay 21p for 17g HMR Hornady Blue, less elseware and 20g available for 16p as I have shown you. http://www.fieldspor..._id=76&Itemid=1 alendil has already quoted 27p WITHOUT capital costs and on 10x brass usage, which with any brass is on the limit, many would not be happy at 10 cycles, its actually slightly higher if you care to look at Kranks prices. (others on this thread have quoted 30p-40p), Lets get back to it......my #28 if you can reload a Hornet for 20p (HMR can still be had for £10x50) show me the parts, prices and suppliers!! Try as hard as you like, you will not, and if you want to start bringing in transport time, then start bringing in reloading time! Edited December 12, 2013 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amazed Posted December 12, 2013 Report Share Posted December 12, 2013 If you wanted to be really anal you could get it below but it would be a poor load. Cast Lead bullet no gas check and a few grains of powder like n110 on a sr or pistol primer your brass would see 20 firings at such low pressure. But your hmr price gets you hmr speeds and doubtful accuracy above 100 yards. There was a hillbilly load using a 22 rabbit magnum as the bullet but that's for a different time I am happy with the price I pay it's cheep shooting for a cf what ever way you look at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted December 12, 2013 Report Share Posted December 12, 2013 If you wanted to be really anal you could get it below but it would be a poor load. Cast Lead bullet no gas check and a few grains of powder like n110 on a sr or pistol primer your brass would see 20 firings at such low pressure. But your hmr price gets you hmr speeds and doubtful accuracy above 100 yards. There was a hillbilly load using a 22 rabbit magnum as the bullet but that's for a different time I am happy with the price I pay it's cheep shooting for a cf what ever way you look at it. No argument about that, never has been! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted December 12, 2013 Report Share Posted December 12, 2013 What are you talking about? What has anybody buying 1000 cf got to do with reloading price of Hornet V HMR purchase price, and what has the price of Hornet bullets back in the time of the arc got to do with costs today?? I don't reload, is your problem Dementia or did you simply fail maths and comprehension at school? I pay 21p for 17g HMR Hornady Blue, less elseware and 20g available for 16p as I have shown you. http://www.fieldspor..._id=76&Itemid=1 alendil has already quoted 27p WITHOUT capital costs and on 10x brass usage, which with any brass is on the limit, many would not be happy at 10 cycles, its actually slightly higher if you care to look at Kranks prices. (others on this thread have quoted 30p-40p), Lets get back to it......my #28 if you can reload a Hornet for 20p (HMR can still be had for £10x50) show me the parts, prices and suppliers!! Try as hard as you like, you will not, and if you want to start bringing in transport time, then start bringing in reloading time! I mean fuel, to get to a dealer with stock will cost me about 200 bullet heads. fundamentally they are very different anyway its sort of like comparing a brick of .22 lr with a tin of airgun pellets or even HMR with .22 LR. I really cant be bothered looking through costs again in great depth, like I say when I bought mine I was nearly out of HMR and I was anal enough to look at costs then and it worked out cheaper. I even looked at how many loads from a tub. The price of HMR interests me less than watching loo paper dissolve to be Honest because I don't favour them one bit compared to a hornet which is a very different tool. I do not agree with 40pence one bit your looking at 14pence per bullet say presently and 5pence in powder 1 pence a primer which comes to 20p. The brass is quite variable in cost but pressure is so low with Lilgun I am finding no failures I loose the stuff before I wear it out at present. I have actually yet to buy any virgin brass as all mine came from factory which is my habit with new warrantied guns Buying primers in Bulk and powder in Bulk will reduce these costs still further (likewise bullets limit allowing). Now if I only bough 100 a time the fuel is going to cost me more than the ammo I think enough has been said its far better talking to those who actually use them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pestcontrol1 Posted December 12, 2013 Report Share Posted December 12, 2013 So what powder and bullet is everyone using in there 22 hornet i see that some people are using lilgun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted December 12, 2013 Report Share Posted December 12, 2013 So what powder and bullet is everyone using in there 22 hornet i see that some people are using lilgun 40 grain and up just has to be Lil'Gun. Below that it's H110 plus a couple more. The problem there is that the most common bullet is the V Max 35 which has the BC of a house brick and can be somewhat inaccurate down range. There are various bullet choice over the 40. Avoid the ballistic tips - the calibre was not designed for them, the down range velocity can mean the bullet is running at below its minimum performance velocity and you're going to need at least a 1 in 14 twist when the norm is 1 in 16. Unless of course you get yourself a Ruger No 1 then you can do whatever you damned well please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pestcontrol1 Posted December 12, 2013 Report Share Posted December 12, 2013 I can get both lilgun and H110 just up the road at £39 and £36 per lb Whats special with the ruger no1 1 in 15 twist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet1747 Posted December 12, 2013 Report Share Posted December 12, 2013 I keep toying about selling my hornet cause it doesn't get used, when I have shot it I can't fault it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted December 12, 2013 Report Share Posted December 12, 2013 I can get both lilgun and H110 just up the road at £39 and £36 per lb Whats special with the ruger no1 1 in 15 twist I in 14. The length of some bullets is such that a faster twist rate is required. To be honest, I mentioned it so you are aware of it but I suggest it will be of no real consequence. The Ruger No 1 spits out a 50gn SPSX at 2770 fps with no effort whatsoever which a fox seems to find most disconcerting. Some who did not grow up using a Greener GP might consider the fact that it is single shot an impediment and for which I can't be held responsible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pestcontrol1 Posted December 12, 2013 Report Share Posted December 12, 2013 I keep toying about selling my hornet cause it doesn't get used, when I have shot it I can't fault it what is it il be looking for one just into the new year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alendil Posted December 12, 2013 Report Share Posted December 12, 2013 http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/topic/247529-22-hornet-test-results/ my home loads and test results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pestcontrol1 Posted December 13, 2013 Report Share Posted December 13, 2013 good load there are you still using the same load and bullet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alendil Posted December 13, 2013 Report Share Posted December 13, 2013 Yes . since then i did fire about 750 of them and they are superb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted December 13, 2013 Report Share Posted December 13, 2013 LilGun is the most popular powder and I think you will find the sierra 45 grn Hornet splitzer is every bit as popular as that 35 grn heap of junk from Hornady that's sole purpose seems to be to leave the muzzle over 3050 fps (then loose it due to the appalling BC). H110 and others work (note both are .410 powders) but LilGun produces way less pressure and allows the user to push the limits, in fact its a great powder for the newby reloader coz you simply cannot get too much in! NOTE not that you cant do other dumb things and damage yourself or the rifle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alendil Posted December 13, 2013 Report Share Posted December 13, 2013 in fact its a great powder for the newby reloader coz you simply cannot get too much in! NOTE not that you cant do other dumb things and damage yourself or the rifle. Thats why i do stick with lil gun powder. and i dont look for other bullets/ loads this one is working superb in my rifle and it does everythink for me. btw its super clean in barrel after shooting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alendil Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 So just wondering My loads work realy well in my gun but wondering what will happen if i will set bullet about 1mm deeper than now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 they will be 1mm shorter? Seriously I don't think it will have any effect unless your compressing the powder too greatly. first and last rule of reloading "if it works great don't try and fix it" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alendil Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 they will be 1mm shorter? my ammo is just fitting in mag ( only 0,5mm left) and when loading i have to push down round which is already in not to shave anything from the tip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 Are you per chance using 40 grn v-max in a 527? If so take the back plasic block out, shorten the non rubbing edge and make a new follower just a tad longer copying the old one closely on the angles etc. Or trim the front of the bullet with a meplat trimmer perhaps, don't contact the rifling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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