shootgun Posted January 4, 2014 Report Share Posted January 4, 2014 How do you know they'll feel awful? Felt recoil differs depending on the shooter. I've used hundreds of English Sporters on clays and pigeons...never felt any discomfort. Let's agree to disagree on this... For me, Lyavale Express Super Game, no5 32 grams, kicks twice as hard than Gamebore Mammoth Magnum BB 50grams, in the same gun. And please, don't tell me i mount the gun differently when i shoot different cartridges... no offence intended, i just think you got this wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
remmyman Posted January 4, 2014 Report Share Posted January 4, 2014 How do you know they'll feel awful? Felt recoil differs depending on the shooter. I've used hundreds of English Sporters on clays and pigeons...never felt any discomfort. Even using heavy 3" and 3 1/2" 'fowling loads I've never had a problem. Most recoil problems are due to poor gun fit and mount rather than the cartridge in my opinion. I don't doubt the 21g cartridges are 'light' but personally I prefer to sling a bit more lead at the target. The way you shoot, about 2oz sounds about right Regards remmyman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted January 4, 2014 Report Share Posted January 4, 2014 The way you shoot, about 2oz sounds about right Regards remmyman No such thing as overkill Happy New Year you old ****** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted January 4, 2014 Report Share Posted January 4, 2014 Let's agree to disagree on this... For me, Lyavale Express Super Game, no5 32 grams, kicks twice as hard than Gamebore Mammoth Magnum BB 50grams, in the same gun. And please, don't tell me i mount the gun differently when i shoot different cartridges... no offence intended, i just think you got this wrong No offence taken, but you've just proven my point. As you say, for you the Lyalvale are a punchy cartridge, whereas for me they're not. As I said felt recoil is dependent on the shooter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootgun Posted January 4, 2014 Report Share Posted January 4, 2014 As I said felt recoil is dependent on the shooter. In only one respect... I totally agree Arnold Schwarzenegger will feel the recoil differennt than Matthew McConaughey :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted January 4, 2014 Report Share Posted January 4, 2014 (edited) for decoying i use eley 28 grams 7/12 £42 for 250 Edited January 4, 2014 by mossy835 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfred Posted January 4, 2014 Report Share Posted January 4, 2014 How do you know they'll feel awful? Felt recoil differs depending on the shooter. I've used hundreds of English Sporters on clays and pigeons...never felt any discomfort. Even using heavy 3" and 3 1/2" 'fowling loads I've never had a problem. Most recoil problems are due to poor gun fit and mount rather than the cartridge in my opinion. I don't doubt the 21g cartridges are 'light' but personally I prefer to sling a bit more lead at the target. Lyalvale English Sporters are well known to be a harsh cartridge for recoil. I've never met another living soul that said any different, even if people get on with them and use them they'll still tell you they are harsh. If you like them then fair enough, fill your boots, its your money. It doesn't seem to make much difference for me whether I use 21g or 28g, I still break the same amount of clays and miss the same amount. The 21g Comp X feel nicer to shoot, so thats what I use, a fair few people hold the same opinion, so its a popular cartridge at the clay ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim_gsxr1000 Posted January 4, 2014 Report Share Posted January 4, 2014 I fired 150 English sporters and 50 black gold f2's on Tues with no problems They might outperform him but they'll still feel awful. I made the mistake of thinking I'd be practical and just buying "whatever was cheapest on the shelf at the time" and had to work my way through 250 of the worst cartridges I've ever had. Nothing wrong with the accuracy but they kicked like hell, that was 250 miserable shots, I couldn't wait to use them up. This stuff about buying "whatever is on the shelf" is a terrible cliché, it means the gunshop will give you the crappest cartridges they have left that no one else wants to buy. If they happen to be English Sporters then you're in for a sore shoulder. I think it pays to stick to something well recommended if you're new, something like Hull Comp X 21g, nice and light and no recoil to speak of. 1000 of those will see you right until you're ready to start experimenting with different shells. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfred Posted January 4, 2014 Report Share Posted January 4, 2014 I fired 150 English sporters and 50 black gold f2's on Tues with no problems Were you wearing red underpants on the outside of your trousers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted January 4, 2014 Report Share Posted January 4, 2014 Were you wearing red underpants on the outside of your trousers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
remmyman Posted January 4, 2014 Report Share Posted January 4, 2014 F A F Regards remmyman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfred Posted January 4, 2014 Report Share Posted January 4, 2014 I can't believe you used a ginger person. Acting like a girl I can live with, but making me out to be ginger is unforgivable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted January 5, 2014 Report Share Posted January 5, 2014 I can't believe you used a ginger person. Acting like a girl I can live with, but making me out to be ginger is unforgivable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim_gsxr1000 Posted January 5, 2014 Report Share Posted January 5, 2014 Priceless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted January 5, 2014 Report Share Posted January 5, 2014 Despite popular opinion - only the Red Indian was genuinely gay, in the Village People. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody801 Posted January 5, 2014 Report Share Posted January 5, 2014 I use eley pigeon for most things. 32gram 6 1\2. With these I've shot pigeon, corvid, snipe, woodcock and pheasant. Another plus is they shoot really cleanly, not much residue left in the barrels. For clays I shoot whatever's cheapest as I'm not concerned about a clean kill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted January 5, 2014 Report Share Posted January 5, 2014 I do think some people need to man up as far as recoil goes. My advice to the OP - just buy whatever! Try a continental 7.5. Great for clays AND pigeons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devils Disciple Posted January 5, 2014 Report Share Posted January 5, 2014 I'm a fan of Superfasts for Clays, and Black gold or Clear Pigeon on the vermin. Black gold getting a little expensive though. Mick, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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