David BASC Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 Dear All,We are starting to get reports that some licencing teams are altering the new forms and adding in more questions. They are NOT allowed to do this!If your application / renewal forms come through, please check them against the CORRECT forms that are on the BASC web site here: http://basc.org.uk/firearms/certificate-forms-and-fees/If they are different please would you be so kind as to let me know what's been altered and which constabulary its from, if possible please send a copy of the adulterated form to me together with your contact details and BASC membership number (if you are a member).If you get a chance, please pass this information onto anyone else who is a certificate holder who may not be a member of this forumthank youDavid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxus77 Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 (edited) do they all not publish online now so can just be downloaded and checked ?? heres Northumbria https://www.northumbria.police.uk/Images/Form%20201%20-%20Application_tcm4-86289.pdf Edited January 10, 2014 by maxus77 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted January 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 (edited) I do take your point, and thank you. But we need to check that what actually lands on the doormat is the correct, unaltered form! David Edited January 10, 2014 by David BASC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxus77 Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 (edited) I do take your point, and thank you. But we need to check that what actually lands on the doormat is the correct, unaltered form! David Ahhh Stealth forms thats the corrupt police for you Edited January 10, 2014 by maxus77 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 David, I have just received a variation form direct from Cheshire and its supposedly form 202 it does however say under a 'Note" That " The certificate to be varied must be enclosed with this form" - Why ? With digital photos etc just - why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b_wales Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 David, I have just received a variation form direct from Cheshire and its supposedly form 202 it does however say under a 'Note" That " The certificate to be varied must be enclosed with this form" - Why ? With digital photos etc just - why? The certificate must be sent so that any variations can be added/deleted to it. It's usual practice to send you a new certificate with the variation/s in place. I can't see anywhere on the form where it asks for photograph's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 The certificate must be sent so that any variations can be added/deleted to it. It's usual practice to send you a new certificate with the variation/s in place. I can't see anywhere on the form where it asks for photograph's. No, you are correct it doesnt but isnt it illegal to be in possession of firearms without a valid certificate. I know its a poacher and gamekeeper thing but the law is quite specific and I would rather keep the cert as temp permits are not mentioned and, as we all know rarely given. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apache Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 No, you are correct it doesnt but isnt it illegal to be in possession of firearms without a valid certificate. I know its a poacher and gamekeeper thing but the law is quite specific and I would rather keep the cert as temp permits are not mentioned and, as we all know rarely given. You need to have a certificate, but not on you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 Just been through this with Hampshire ask me to write explaining why I need my FAC with me, then will then do the variation and call me to post in my FAC when they receive it they will send me my new one. My reasoning they say a variation will take up to 42 working days I need to buy ammo in this period as I will be using my other rifles during it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apache Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 If you are getting through your ammo allowance in 6 weeks ask them to significantly increase your holding. The Police firearms guidance suggested (haven't checked since the recent update) 250 rounds for CF calibres - there will be many recreational stalkers who do an odd range day who don't get through that many in the 5 year life of the certificate! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Therealchucknorris Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 Just been through this with Hampshire ask me to write explaining why I need my FAC with me, then will then do the variation and call me to post in my FAC when they receive it they will send me my new one. My reasoning they say a variation will take up to 42 working days I need to buy ammo in this period as I will be using my other rifles during it. Wiltshire told me that they'd call me when my new cert was ready and they'd only issue it when my old one was returned. This proved to be a little inaccurate as they posted my new certs and then told me to send my other one back 'as soon as I had the time'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 Wiltshire told me that they'd call me when my new cert was ready and they'd only issue it when my old one was returned. This proved to be a little inaccurate as they posted my new certs and then told me to send my other one back 'as soon as I had the time'. Seems right and sensible to me - it probably isnt a new form then David ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted January 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 As I said ,some constabulary areas the licencing teams are adding text to the forms over and above those that are (the correct ones) on the BASC web site, and we need to find out which ones are up to tricks. I have also just found out in one Welsh licencing area they are creating a brand new form for people to fill in when they asdk for their certificated to be opened up asking, among other things, for a risk assessment statement! Lets all work together to stop this silly and pointless practice. David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scobydog Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 Good to see Basc jumping on this problem, well done David. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crash72 Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 Nice one David. Keep up the good work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted January 11, 2014 Report Share Posted January 11, 2014 and thats why we should all join the basc,they do a good job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webber Posted January 11, 2014 Report Share Posted January 11, 2014 So, what we should be doing when the forms arrive on the doormat is:- bin the police forms. Visit the BASC website and print the correct forms. webber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted January 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2014 Thnks all, please keep me in the loop if you get any odd forms! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Therealchucknorris Posted January 11, 2014 Report Share Posted January 11, 2014 Seems right and sensible to me - it probably isnt a new form then David ! Ha! spot on. Got mine done for the end of November so just ahead of the changes that were brought in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ugb25 Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 Just a quick note kent police aren't sending out reminders or renewal forms all I got was a letter telling me that if I hadn't already submitted renewal forms I should store my rifles with RFD since had another letter saying I hadn't completed a land permission form which wasn't part of the renewal forms and that I hadn't signed a photo which also wasn't asked for it seems they are moving the goal posts every day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted January 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 Some licencing teams are not sending out forms, but must send out a reminder letter. The correct forms are available to download from the BASC web site. All 4 photos must be signed. The Firearms Act 1968 states very clearly that "The application shall be in the form provided". This means that the official application form (Firearms Form 201) is the only one you are required to complete. If the delay is down to you then yes its likely you will have to lodge your guns with an RFD until your new certificate arrives. If you have returned your application for renewal in good time and are experiencing delays which may put you in unlawful possession of firearms, shotguns or ammunition when your certificate expires, then you should ask for a Temporary Permit under Section 7 of the Firearms Act 1968. This will allow you to keep and use your firearms and shotguns and also, by virtue of Section 5(2)(a) of the Firearms (Amendment) Act 1988,to purchase shotgun ammunition. Unfortunately it will NOT allow you to possess expanding ammunition if you have any. This should be lodged with a registered firearms dealer until you have your renewed certificate. Ensure that you complete the form carefully and return it as quickly as possible in the case of renewal, to give the system a chance to work properly. Make sure that you leave the police reasonable time to issue a new certificate before the expiry date. 6-8 weeks should allow plenty of time. David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted January 13, 2014 Report Share Posted January 13, 2014 so you should only sign 4 photos if it for firearm and shot gun,2 if its just for a shotgun.is that right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted January 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2014 Regardless of what you are applying for, your form must be accompanied by four passport size photographs, and your referee(s) must sign and date one photograph each. David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixhills 69 Posted January 13, 2014 Report Share Posted January 13, 2014 Do we need to complete some kind of land permission for still Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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