Scully Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 I thought this had been covered on here but can't seem to find it. I have only shot trap once or twice but both times with my sporter and have never shot a dedicated trap gun. I have spotted a rather nice gun which the owner says started life as a trap gun but has now been sporterised. I think I'm right in thinking that all this consists of is shaving some wood off the comb to lower it, but do dedicated trap guns have cast? I feel, after shooting for oodles of years, that I should know, but I don't. Feel free to extract the urine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaserF3 Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 The only true trap gun I have owned with no cast at all was a Remington 1100, all others which were O/U's always had a cast off stock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 Sporterised can mean a number of things. If the chokes have been opened up or made multi-choke for example. Taking a bit of the comb is not making any gun a sporter. All it means is that the owner took some wood off the comb, to suit himself and made the gun worth less than a standard gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 Yep they are cast either off or on (most are off ) "sporterised" often means a trap gun with multi-chokes to make it more versatile, sometimes comb is lowered or made adjustable (better) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted January 31, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 Many thanks all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr. lecter Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 shops are full of sporterised guns for sale , there's no majic wand out there , lets keep it basic and real , having a gun fitted professionally , different story . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted February 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 shops are full of sporterised guns for sale , there's no majic wand out there , lets keep it basic and real , having a gun fitted professionally , different story . Not sure I understand the above, but thanks anyhow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr. lecter Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 trapgun for trap disciplines , sporter for sporting , simples , is cast for eye dominance , or right/ left hand shooters , help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 Cast is for handidness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 Cast is for handidness And eye dominance and body shape/stance. I know a few very good right handed trap shooter who shoot cast on guns from the right shoulder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 (edited) It's for handiness, some shoot wrong cast guns but not by design I'm surprised slightly as I can't find a cast on trap gun for love or a reasonable about of money... Perhaps that's why... Edited February 1, 2014 by HDAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
remmyman Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 It's for handiness, some shoot wrong cast guns but not by design I'm surprised slightly as I can't find a cast on gun for love or a reasonable about of money... I don't see the problem, altering cast is no big deal technically or expense wise. Regards remmyman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 I don't see the problem, altering cast is no big deal technically or expense wise. Regards remmyman Well depends who you ask, so far no one will guarantee the change and more important guarantee the cast at toe. Or that it won't change over time (creep back) or snap in the process leaving me with a big bill..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted February 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 trapgun for trap disciplines , sporter for sporting , simples , is cast for eye dominance , or right/ left hand shooters , help Thanks. I know what the different guns are for, and what cast is for, but as trap guns are usually shot 'gun up' I wondered if it was necessary for them to have cast. Not all guns have cast, usually autos admittedly ( before the advent of shims) but never having shot a trap gun I wasn't sure. Thanks for the replies all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 (edited) Well depends who you ask, so far no one will guarantee the change and more important guarantee the cast at toe. Or that it won't change over time (creep back) or snap in the process leaving me with a big bill..... Cast at toe is key to you as a left hander these guys shoot from the right so want the toe not changed but cast on at face. If you pay what they have MX8s and SO5 with custom made stock you can easily find a cast on stock ;-) just have to pay for it. Edited February 1, 2014 by welshwarrior Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
remmyman Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 Well depends who you ask, so far no one will guarantee the change and more important guarantee the cast at toe. Or that it won't change over time (creep back) or snap in the process leaving me with a big bill..... Agreed. Any gunsmith/stockman has to advise the client of worst case scenario, but in the 'realword' failiures of the kind you mention are extremely rare. As for cast at toe, why not have an adjustable butt pad fitted? Regards remmyman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 Agreed. Any gunsmith/stockman has to advise the client of worst case scenario, but in the 'realword' failiures of the kind you mention are extremely rare. As for cast at toe, why not have an adjustable butt pad fitted? Regards remmyman i could, but think they look awful there was a nice miroku with adjustable comb and Isis recoil system with adjustable hheel plate but it just looked awful. Custom made stocks are a different ball game shot a perazzi with a custom LH stock was horrible for me! Owner had made nationals with it at OT. So obviously fitted him well! Once you take into account palm swell, comb height, drops etc your left with 2 choices.... Buy a gun that fits if you can find one, or buy one you like and have it fitted/fit to it. I was on for my first straight at DTL today then dropped the last 3 birds in a row........ Problem is in my head not the gun...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 I was on for my first straight at DTL today then dropped the last 3 birds in a row........ Problem is in my head not the gun...... If the problem's in your head, why keep worrying about your gun? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 If the problem's in your head, why keep worrying about your gun? Not worrying, just getting fed up of the smack in the chops it keeps giving me............ Hoping a higher comb will stop me lifting my head..... (only happens when i shoot trap) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted February 2, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 Not worrying, just getting fed up of the smack in the chops it keeps giving me............ Hoping a higher comb will stop me lifting my head..... (only happens when i shoot trap) A Browning 325 used to slap me in the cheek when I fired it 'gun up', but ti was a Sporter. You may already know, but there are two LH trap guns on Guntrader. One 682 Gold E and the other a Perazzi. Both very nice. Put left handed into the 'orientation' section of the search engine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 What about an adjustable comb? Gives you the comb high and cast you want? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 What about an adjustable comb? Gives you the comb high and cast you want? Beat me to it. Certainly the simplest solution, and not that expensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 (edited) A Browning 325 used to slap me in the cheek when I fired it 'gun up', but ti was a Sporter. You may already know, but there are two LH trap guns on Guntrader. One 682 Gold E and the other a Perazzi. Both very nice. Put left handed into the 'orientation' section of the search engine. Yeah my 525 is sporter What about an adjustable comb? Gives you the comb high and cast you want? I could for £250 but i would rather buy another gun. 1: I'm a man i like buying guns 2: A mate is also left handed and comes shooting with me but awkward with just one gun between us and he isnt in a position to buy a gun for a while. 3: I like the idea of keeping the sporter as it is and having a dedicated trap gun I've seen some adjustable wood work i could put on mine from an MK38 trap thats been bent to cast on. I'd still rather buy another gun... Apologies to the OP for going off on a tangent on your thread On Guntrader right now there are 238 guns classed as L/H (no doubt many more wrongly classed as R/H but dont know till you look) 32" i think my prefernce (need to shoot one) in my price range there are 2 http://www.guntrader.co.uk/Guns-For-Sale/results.php?&Filter[NewType][]=Shotgun&Filter[NewMechanism][]=Over%20and%20Under&Filter[Calibre][]=12%20gauge&Filter[Orientation][]=Left%20Handed&Filter[barrelLength][Min]=30.5&Filter[barrelLength][Max]=32.000&Filter[Price][Min]=925&Filter[Price][Max]=1200 A 682 i enquired about and was told was not suitable for trap and a rather tired looking GTi that i really don't fancy, I've missed out on a CG and MK38 GD5 in the last couple of weeks (the MK 38 was pushing budget more than i could manage comfortably.......but thanks for the heads ) Edited February 2, 2014 by HDAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 1: I'm a man i like buying guns How many guns have you had? Surely you must have realised what 'fitted' you from previous experiences? I'd have thought your 525 would 'fit' like a glove? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 HDAV. PM me what your looking for in a trap gun I've got a couple that may do especially if you have found a MK38 left handed wood. WW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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