pestcontrol1 Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 Do"s anyone load steel for the 410 ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 there is a new .410 steel tps wad from ballistic products. look at there steel data too. think 1/2oz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 I have data for it but doubt its effectiveness on quarry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimfireboy Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 I think most fourtens are full choke, if you have a multi choke model, you could use it. Can't see them achieving much usable range though. Just my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 I think most fourtens are full choke, if you have a multi choke model, you could use it. Can't see them achieving much usable range though. Just my opinion. My point is pertaining to that range, I find 25 yards about optimum with 18 grm of lead on rabbits. For Duck I recon it might be less (though I don't due to the shot type and the law). What you going to looking at with steel 15 yards maybe? heck load Bismouth or something IMO. I know a guy who claims to shoot an odd Pink at short range by intention with a Bismouth loaded .410, never seen it done though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 kent i`m sure thats true. i`ve heard even funnyer stories of what people shoot through there barrels. i`m sure skeet is a blast, whack in a set of cylinders and away you go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pestcontrol1 Posted February 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 i was looking at a mates o/u 410 multi choke and we both wondered about shooting steel but did have my resavations about it and wondered if anyone loaded or used any Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted February 4, 2014 Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 http://www.ballisticproducts.com/TPS-410-bore-non-toxic-wad-preslit/productinfo/3224100/ even 0.5 oz is alittle large it seems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted February 4, 2014 Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 There are a few recipes in Ballistic products "the small bore manual" at 100 GRAINS of steel though it doesn't look promising for Fowl, blooming fast though @ up to 1700+ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beeredup Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 would be interested in some info on loading 410 bismuth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 would be interested in some info on loading 410 bismuth I am not 100% sure on this one as I don't / wont use it but my mate who does just copies lead loads for equal weights. Perhaps someone might confirm this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 I am not 100% sure on this one as I don't / wont use it but my mate who does just copies lead loads for equal weights. Perhaps someone might confirm this? sorry don't know your mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 sorry don't know your mate funny guy, I mean the fact its ok to substitute the data of lead loads. There is enough dodgy info banded around on forums on this sort of thing I didn't want to add to it. anyone else noticed how hard it is to get proper answers to important questions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 funny guy, I mean the fact its ok to substitute the data of lead loads. There is enough dodgy info banded around on forums on this sort of thing I didn't want to add to it. anyone else noticed how hard it is to get proper answers to important questions? I underestimated the gravity of the situation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 I am not 100% sure on this one as I don't / wont use it but my mate who does just copies lead loads for equal weights. Perhaps someone might confirm this? thats just funny, how on earth is he going to fit equivalent weights? i know its not you, but what? if he`s loading up equivalent weights, i`d advise you to not do this practice and to only use proper information. if he`s loading volume to volume. it may be "less" dangerous, but i cant see that fitting in the steel wads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dangerous Brian Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 (edited) thats just funny, how on earth is he going to fit equivalent weights? i know its not you, but what? if he`s loading up equivalent weights, i`d advise you to not do this practice and to only use proper information. if he`s loading volume to volume. it may be "less" dangerous, but i cant see that fitting in the steel wads. Are we talking steel, Bismuth or both? the title is steel but this part of the thread was for bismuth. Equivalent weights of steel is going to end badly but I have read somewhere that bismuth can be substituted for lead (Best to get that confirmed though, I will edit/ update my post if I I can find my source on this) Edit: Talking Cobblers on the bismuth bit, please ignore! Edited February 5, 2014 by Dangerous Brian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pestcontrol1 Posted February 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 would be interested in some info on loading 410 bismuth the only data that i have for bismuth for the 410 is from the lyman 5th edition rem plastic basewad 3" rem 209p primer lil'gun13.0 gn sp410 wad 5/8 0z 1190 fps 11'600 psi rem plastic base wad 3" rem 209p primer 16gn H110 sp410 wad 1190 fps 9'700 psi not sure if they are any good never loaded them but they are straight out of the book also not sure but might have to sub the primer and maybe the wad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 thats just funny, how on earth is he going to fit equivalent weights? i know its not you, but what? if he`s loading up equivalent weights, i`d advise you to not do this practice and to only use proper information. if he`s loading volume to volume. it may be "less" dangerous, but i cant see that fitting in the steel wads. I think you have the wrong end of this its not steel, the question posed was for a bismouth load. I don't use Bismouth either but think its quite similar in volume ? So why should bismouth need steel wads? surely with std felt wad you could just adjust to suit? At fourten duck ranges I should have though a shotcup counter productive anyhow? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beeredup Posted February 6, 2014 Report Share Posted February 6, 2014 yeah should of elaborated looking for a 410 load recipe using bismuth i will do some research on the volumes to weight of a suitable sized lead and bismuth shot to see if this is possible its to assist my good friend's young lad who wants to attend the basc young shots wildfowling events but he didnt have any suitable loads available to him and his 410 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted February 6, 2014 Report Share Posted February 6, 2014 yeah should of elaborated looking for a 410 load recipe using bismuth i will do some research on the volumes to weight of a suitable sized lead and bismuth shot to see if this is possible its to assist my good friend's young lad who wants to attend the basc young shots wildfowling events but he didnt have any suitable loads available to him and his 410 Surely someone can lend the lad a proper gun. As much as I like the .410 its only a toy as far as wildfowl are concerned and non toxic, he will have to be real close and then an excellent shot to get them right in his tight pattern. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pestcontrol1 Posted February 6, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2014 yeah should of elaborated looking for a 410 load recipe using bismuth i will do some research on the volumes to weight of a suitable sized lead and bismuth shot to see if this is possible its to assist my good friend's young lad who wants to attend the basc young shots wildfowling events but he didnt have any suitable loads available to him and his 410 The two loads that i posted for you are 410 loads with bismuth in a 3" case and 5/8oz of bismuth shot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beeredup Posted February 6, 2014 Report Share Posted February 6, 2014 cool thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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