Hopper Bopper Posted February 8, 2014 Report Share Posted February 8, 2014 As you will see from a separate post that we are looking at getting an 8 week old cocker bitch later this year but we already have a 19 month old ess. What are peoples thoughts on sharing training dummies? Could there be ownership/jealousy problems/ What about sent sharing problems? Or am i just being a bit too cautious? Cheers HB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felly100 Posted February 8, 2014 Report Share Posted February 8, 2014 On the training DVDs I have seen,none of the dummies have the names of the individual dog on them. Also you don't want the dog to feel it has ownership of said dummy,you want it to bring it straight back to you. Another point is if you take it for any field tests or trials,they don't use your dummies I believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted February 8, 2014 Report Share Posted February 8, 2014 (edited) There will be no issues as far as dummies are concerned, they will need to be trained seperately anyway prob till ur pup is in the advanced stages possibly 1-2 yrs old anyway. Most/all trainers will just have a game/training bag full of various dummies and that trains all there dogs. It is a good idea to get ur dog used to as many types of dummies as possible As felly says above if u ever enter working tests or scurries at a game fairs they will continue to reuse the same dummies all day long Only point i'd make about bringing a mew dog in only 18month younger is u will have 2 dogs in there prime at same time but also 2 dogs gettin older at same time so will need a 3rd dog somewhere down the line if u need a dog in its prime, possibly every 3-5 years is a good time to get a new pup if ur dog numbers/space is limited Edited February 8, 2014 by scotslad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted February 8, 2014 Report Share Posted February 8, 2014 (edited) There should be no ownership issues as it should be you that owns the dummy , not the dog Edited February 8, 2014 by fenboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopper Bopper Posted February 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2014 Those are some helpful answers, thank you all. HB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted February 8, 2014 Report Share Posted February 8, 2014 There will be no issues as far as dummies are concerned, they will need to be trained seperately anyway prob till ur pup is in the advanced stages possibly 1-2 yrs old anyway. Most/all trainers will just have a game/training bag full of various dummies and that trains all there dogs. It is a good idea to get ur dog used to as many types of dummies as possible As felly says above if u ever enter working tests or scurries at a game fairs they will continue to reuse the same dummies all day long Only point i'd make about bringing a mew dog in only 18month younger is u will have 2 dogs in there prime at same time but also 2 dogs gettin older at same time so will need a 3rd dog somewhere down the line if u need a dog in its prime, possibly every 3-5 years is a good time to get a new pup if ur dog numbers/space is limited Good advice getting them too close together means they both get past it around the same time and it can happen all of a sudden. 3 yrs means the younger is getting useful when the older dog is 5-6 yrs, that's good succession at 5yrs gap its 7 - 8yrs before the young un gets real useful. As for possession issues, why bother if and when it ever rears its head sort it then. Out of caution alone I shouldn't swap on cold game though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PERCE Posted February 8, 2014 Report Share Posted February 8, 2014 Out of caution alone I shouldn't swap on cold game though Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted February 8, 2014 Report Share Posted February 8, 2014 Why? Because there is no point in tempting fate - I might also say why do it? . Many very well respected trainers of the past believed in only one retrieve of cold game per item. Dogs are funny things some have quirks what you get away with some you wont with others, some dogs will refuse game handled prior to another dog, I think J regs even allow for refusal of such a retrieve in a trial on this basis or maybe its to do with the previous being hard in the mouth? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PERCE Posted February 8, 2014 Report Share Posted February 8, 2014 Because there is no point in tempting fate - I might also say why do it? . Many very well respected trainers of the past believed in only one retrieve of cold game per item. Dogs are funny things some have quirks what you get away with some you wont with others, some dogs will refuse game handled prior to another dog, I think J regs even allow for refusal of such a retrieve in a trial on this basis or maybe its to do with the previous being hard in the mouth? So what about a cold game test? I assume you've never been to one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatcatsplat Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 My eldest is 4 now and as possessive as you like where the younger two are concerned. Not sure how to break the cycle but we get a flare up at least once a week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bi9johnny Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 There is only one owner of every dummy at mine and that is ME...... I don't let my two dogs get possessive about anything. I walk and excercise the two of them separately 99% of the time and seeing as they are diff breeds I train them separately too. They share dummies,balls,sleeping space, affection time our attention, everything. I am top dog and they have never had a fall out at all. They are like children , they are diff breeds with diff personalities with diff needs but at the end of the day we all live together so I make sure no one has issues. When training in groups at clubs they just have a big bag of dummies that prob hundreds of dogs have mouthed and it's never bothered any of the dogs I've owned Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michufc Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 I would not bother having a set of dummy's for one dog and another set for your other dog because in that theory when they get to the later stages of there training and train together as a picking up team it would be very difficult to remember which dummy is for which dog. We all aim to get out dogs to retrieve anything we want them to not what they are used to. Cheers mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 So what about a cold game test? I assume you've never been to one? So what about the questions i posed rather than another question? I do not trial or test any dog I own, the day it bears real relevance to my type of work and the judges also understand it I will perhaps enter. If six dogs had all had hold of a manky old defrosted bunny and mine though it better to eat than retrieve it yet again who can blame it? after all nobody seems to want it Like the old trainers who said only use once - why tempt fate? I am repeating myself its not an echo. I can link this to the overuse of a single dummy in one session, sooner or later the dog might assume you don't actually want it, not always, not all dogs but WHY TEMPT FATE? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PERCE Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 So what about the questions i posed rather than another question? I do not trial or test any dog I own, the day it bears real relevance to my type of work and the judges also understand it I will perhaps enter. If six dogs had all had hold of a manky old defrosted bunny and mine though it better to eat than retrieve it yet again who can blame it? after all nobody seems to want it Like the old trainers who said only use once - why tempt fate? I am repeating myself its not an echo. I can link this to the overuse of a single dummy in one session, sooner or later the dog might assume you don't actually want it, not always, not all dogs but WHY TEMPT FATE? You listen to far too many old wives tales, it's as bad as those that think RAW feeding a dog will make it a game eater. I've attended many group training sessions where all the dogs use the same dummies, the clubs own their own dummies & these are used in both training & working tests. I've also also been to cold game tests which tend to be run on a walked up field trial set up, Game gets used multiple times on these days. I've seen dogs from puppy level to FTCH level run on shared equipment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 You listen to far too many old wives tales, it's as bad as those that think RAW feeding a dog will make it a game eater. I've attended many group training sessions where all the dogs use the same dummies, the clubs own their own dummies & these are used in both training & working tests. I've also also been to cold game tests which tend to be run on a walked up field trial set up, Game gets used multiple times on these days. I've seen dogs from puppy level to FTCH level run on shared equipment. Still you don't answer, there is no doubt many dogs don't care- its also a fact some do. If I had a dog that cared I should train for it or bend to its ways, still I should need good reason to send my own dog on real game another dog had mouthed previous- never found that a need so I personally should do it, just for the crack like Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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