Zetter Posted February 25, 2014 Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 As a few of you may remeber I gota brand new Wolverine in .177 late last year. Now the accuaracy and grouping on it were sublime with ragged one hole groups at 30yds a given. However on a couple of hunting trips it had me scratching my head as I clean missed a couple of easy shots and in one case could see the pellet through the Night vision fly to the right of the bunny. I took it to the indoor range and tried everything I could think of scope, mounts me the lot and I couldnt reproduce these sudden POI changes with any regularity they just seemed to happen and it was driving me up the wall. Until that is one test where I decided to manipulate the shroud by tapping it with my hand to either the right or left and lo and behold this would shift the POI by about 2" every time still maintaining the tight grouping. So I took it back to my RFD and he tried it and got even worse results i.e. up to 4" shift at longer ranges. Now we both thought loose barrel which is a bit odd as the Wolverine is supposed to be very well fixed into the block. After a call to Daystate they had it back and said they would sort it. Got an respose back today on what was causing it and it was a bit of a suprise. Apparently the buddy bottle was tight up agaist the shroud and the shroud / barrel was sliding about on top of the bottle when the shroud was knocked such as going into the gun bag or when the gun underwent temparature changes (I tend to zero in a heated indoor range so going from warm to cold was shifting the POI. It is probably on a minor movement in the barrel but because it couldnt get back to a natural rest position due to contact with the buddy bottle it was throwing the POI out. Just though it may be of use to someone if they were experiencing such issues I knew that contact of stuff with the barrel can have an effect hence why a lot of people free float theirs but never seen it to this extent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secretagentmole Posted February 25, 2014 Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 Sounds like bad manufacturing to me... My BSA has 3-4mm of clearance all the way along the shroud! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted February 25, 2014 Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 That is a pretty major design flaw for a top end rifle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zetter Posted February 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 I wasnt best pleased to say the least. Hopeing I can wangle a silencer for free for my trouble Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet boy Posted February 25, 2014 Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 It's not good news but glad you've had it sorted now. You should get something for the inconvenience. ATVB and enjoy shooting your Wolverine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbo33 Posted February 25, 2014 Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 (edited) Zetter Quote "Apparently the buddy bottle was tight up agaist the shroud and the shroud / barrel was sliding about on top of the bottle when the shroud was knocked such as going into the gun bag or when the gun underwent temparature changes" Bloody unbelievable :o Another customer at fault Zetter, bet you a million dollars you'll get no gesture of goodwill from them Now I'm a fan of Daystate rifles, not of Daystate, and love my Airwolf But how can you spend over a grand on a rifle, and be told by the manufacturer that its your fault, you subjected it to a temperature change, or putting it in a gunbag can knocked it off zero? Come on Daystate, you have great rifles, and I know it might sound stupid, ignorant, un-educated, childish, but occasionally, just occasionally it might not be the customer that's at fault Edited February 25, 2014 by turbo33 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zetter Posted February 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 To be fair Turbo they didn't imply its was my fault they did acknowledge that basically the buddy bottle had been fitted incorrectly and caused the barrel/ shroud to move in the situations described above I don't think my write up makes it clear. I admit though I was a bit peeved that on a gun of that cost that had been tested had basically an issue caused during assembly. Though I have owned guns from most of the manufacturers at one point or another and have had some issues with some of them as well, including the infamous HW100 overpower issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbo33 Posted February 25, 2014 Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 (edited) I don't really get this " stick up for Daystate no matter what" attitude. They are lucky to have had a customer as understanding as you obviously are. How can the buddy bottle be fitted incorrectly? It has an idiot proof thread on it. Unless of course it was cross threaded.........absurd possibility for all sorts of reasons. If it was a loose barrel or shroud due to sloppy assembly, then that's un-acceptable practise when your paying for the perceived Rolls Royce of airguns. There's a video on youtube of a visit to Daystate and during which, you see a "Technician" putting guns together, or servicing them, can't remember which. As someone who used to build race car/bike engines, and I think the parallel is reasonable, the perceived lack of care and accuracy seems shocking. So your comments in post 7 come as no surprise 20m.17secs done as fast as Christ would let him, just a rag round the bottle, adjustable spanner, the curse of all mechanics ans just incase, a ball pein hammer in the background!!! What on earth is that doing on the work bench? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSJQiThhjRw Edited February 25, 2014 by turbo33 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zetter Posted February 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 I must admit I was a bit disappointed as they are one of the top end of airguns and it seemed like something that should have been picked up in testing fingers crossed I my RFD can get something out of them for the hassle. But as I said they are not the only culprits last purchase was a Brocock for my daughter that came out of the factory rocking 13.2 ft/lb when I put it over the crono. I sometimes think im cursed although I have been ok with air arms in the past . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted February 25, 2014 Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 Is this not a quality control issue, either assembly or machining appear to be at fault! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet boy Posted February 25, 2014 Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 I've had Daystate rifles for a number of years now and I gotta say all the ones I've had have been flawless in build,quality and performance. Just sad to hear your story mate but I do hope your Wolverine will give you many many years of enjoyment without any problems whatsoever. ATVB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbo33 Posted February 25, 2014 Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 I must admit I was a bit disappointed as they are one of the top end of airguns and it seemed like something that should have been picked up in testing fingers crossed I my RFD can get something out of them for the hassle. But as I said they are not the only culprits last purchase was a Brocock for my daughter that came out of the factory rocking 13.2 ft/lb when I put it over the crono. I sometimes think im cursed although I have been ok with air arms in the past . There's a huge difference in the money paid for the kudos that goes with Daystate over a Brocock. It shouldn't happen with either, but when the hype with Daystate is so far ahead of the other manufacturers, its borlderline arrogance IMHO. Only had one issue with an Air arms. Dealt with by way of a replacement rifle by return of post. Top quality product at an average price with customer service that puts the afor mentioned to shame IMO. Is this not a quality control issue, either assembly or machining appear to be at fault! Machining, assembly or maybe just purely lack of R&D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted February 25, 2014 Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 (edited) Bought a moderator (Weirauch) for my MK3 last year and the essential adaptor-the adaptor was so poorly machined that pellets were hitting the mod internals. My local dealer told me that he had replaced loads of them that had been machined off centre-I gave up in the end and fitted a DS airstream-not as good as the HW unit but less hassle. Edited February 25, 2014 by bruno22rf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted February 25, 2014 Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 It wouldn't surprise me if more of this comes out of the woodwork. Just looking at images of the gun you can see how easily it could happen. That gap between bottle and barrel is tiny. It's appreciably smaller than the Air Wolf's design. I know we're only talking a couple of mm, but that looks like it could be enough... Let's hope yours is just a one off error and not something more serious... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted February 25, 2014 Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 I must admit I was a bit disappointed as they are one of the top end of airguns and it seemed like something that should have been picked up in testing fingers crossed I my RFD can get something out of them for the hassle. But as I said they are not the only culprits last purchase was a Brocock for my daughter that came out of the factory rocking 13.2 ft/lb when I put it over the crono. I sometimes think im cursed although I have been ok with air arms in the past . you think you're cursed?? Try having a run in with Michael+numbers. He seems to have had problems with every gun he has ever picked up! his ownership history is like walking through an air rifle graveyard... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moorvale55 Posted February 27, 2014 Report Share Posted February 27, 2014 Don't forget folks, Daystate do not make air rifles, they only assemble the bits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zetter Posted February 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 Well my RFD had a chat with Tony Belas about the issues we had and as a gesture of good faith they are sending me over a reflex silence for my Wolverine FOC which was a nice gesture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet boy Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 Well my RFD had a chat with Tony Belas about the issues we had and as a gesture of good faith they are sending me over a reflex silence for my Wolverine FOC which was a nice gesture. I'm glad you got something for the inconvenience bud. ATVB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evo Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 Well my RFD had a chat with Tony Belas about the issues we had and as a gesture of good faith they are sending me over a reflex silence for my Wolverine FOC which was a nice gesture. well there is £60 worth of silencer, I have found Tony Belas nothing but a pleasure to deal with,, main thing is the problem has been solved, but should not have been there in the first place, atb Evo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet boy Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 well there is £60 worth of silencer, I have found Tony Belas nothing but a pleasure to deal with,, main thing is the problem has been solved, but should not have been there in the first place, atb Evo I echo what you've said bud Tony B is a top bloke and he won't be happy with whats gone on here with Zetter's Wolverine I can tell you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zetter Posted February 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 Well its back to its best and ive decided to treat her to a new scope. Going to grab a Nikon Prostaff EFR I think for Hunting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet boy Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 Well its back to its best and ive decided to treat her to a new scope. Going to grab a Nikon Prostaff EFR I think for Hunting Nice scope. Have you looked through a MTC Connect scope bud? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zetter Posted March 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 I had an MTC connect scope a while back on the Ultra I had and it was a nice piece of glass. However I had a couple of issues that made me swap out to something else, one being fitting the NS50 was a pain due to the dioptre on the back and I think now MTC wont warranty this bit if you break it putting an NS50 on it, the second was the SCB2 reticule I found a bit fine while out hunting and started losing it against dark backgrounds. Overall though a fine scope and a different idea on how to put a scope on the gun. I would have another MTC to be honest but the one that would be ideal is the Mamba light but I don't get on with the SCB reticule as I find it a bit cluttered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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