bazzab Posted March 2, 2014 Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 Hi all. At the risk of making myself look a total wally. Is it possible to remove the ejectors from an over and under? My gun seems to be really stiff to open once fired. Dont use the ejectors anyway I pop empties in a bucket so am happy to remove them by hand. Many thanks. Bazza. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted March 2, 2014 Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 Well Wally, what make of gun is it? The ejectors in many guns form part of the breech and you would be well advised to keep them in for safety reasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rtaylor Posted March 2, 2014 Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 If you don't want the ejectors to 'fire' then you can take them out and remove the spring. Different guns have different ways of holding them in, there are a couple videos on youtube of baretta ones. My Lanber has a locking key on the side of the barrel which stops them falling out, you have to press the tiny spring down under the key then slide it out. It should still lift the cartridge without the spring. As for being stiff when fired, lube might well the the answer my friend. Seriously once you have taken the ejectors out, clean and oil where they slide. Just be careful of any tiny springs/plungers which may fly out as you are taking it apart, speaks from experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougall Posted March 2, 2014 Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 ??why do you think it is the ejectors making gun stiff?is it new gun?has it got worse? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazzab Posted March 2, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 Its a Marrochi. Its always been stiff. If I havent fired it at all it opens really freely, soon as I fire it, it becomes a pain to open. I went to a clay ground yesterday the member of staff had shoot with it and could hardly open it. So assumed that only happens when fired must be linked to ejectors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted March 2, 2014 Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 Not necassarily the ejectors! Could be the firing pins or spring getting stuck in the primer I suggest a trip to a reputable gunsmith! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazzab Posted March 2, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 Not necassarily the ejectors! Could be the firing pins or spring getting stuck in the primer I suggest a trip to a reputable gunsmith! Okie dokie. Thank you mate. Thanks everyone for your assistance. Very grateful for all the input. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted March 2, 2014 Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 I would think breaking the gun resets the ejectors , hence it being stiffer to open when fired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted March 2, 2014 Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 (edited) A common reason for this on an o/u is the firing pin remaining pressed against the fired shell in the bottom barrel. You can check this easily. First by loading and firing the top barrel only (use a snap cap in the bottom if you don't know which fires first). Usually, if only the top barrel is fired, its easy to open. Secondly, you can often see the marks where the firing pin has dragged across the primer as you try to open the gun on the spent shell from the lower barrel only. When the gun has been fired, normally the tumbler (hammer) rebounds slightly from the firing pin (which has small springs to retract it slightly), so the firing pin is clear of the primer as the gun is opened. The initial movement of the primer with respect to the firing pin in the bottom barrel of an o/u as it is opened is a 'shear' movement, and the firing pin in contact with the primer will make this very stiff. What can happen is that the tumbler rests on the firing pin after firing, and its only as the lock cocks that it is drawn back. This can occur 'late' on some guns and needs a gunmaker to adjust the timing of the cocking lever such that the tumbler retracts at the slightest opening of the gun. Its a delicate adjustment and needs an experienced person. Poor adjustment here can lead to misfires (if the tumbler hits the cocking lever) and bad ejection (since on some actions the ejector timing is taken from the cocking levers. It can also occur in side by sides, but not (in my limited experience) as much as o/u's. Opening when fired is always stiffer than when not fired (except certain uncommon actions such as the Beesley/Purdey self openers) becuse the vast majority of guns cock the main springs on opening and the ejectors on closing. (Beesley's patent guns are different in that they cock the lock on opening, but only compress the mainspring (which is also the self opening spring) on closing. Edited March 2, 2014 by JohnfromUK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted March 2, 2014 Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 John thankyou for that excellent explanation! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazzab Posted March 2, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 Wow now thats a reply. Thank you so much buddy I really appreciate that. Mustve taken you ages to type. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deershooter Posted March 2, 2014 Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 Get a grip lads ,when you open a gun after it's been fired you have to reset the hammer springs this is what makes it harder throw it away and buy a catapult or get some dumb bells and eat 3 shredded wheat Deershooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted March 2, 2014 Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 Try firing just one barrel open the gun they do the other is it still stiff, if it's stiff on one not the other check the stiker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted March 2, 2014 Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 Get a grip lads ,when you open a gun after it's been fired you have to reset the hammer springs this is what makes it harder Yes but it shouldn't require you to put it over your knee and force it open ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazzab Posted March 2, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 Going to do the fire each barrel with me snap caps in and see if I can locate which barrel. Failing that the legend that is Wabbitbosher has agreed to take a look for me. What a star. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted March 3, 2014 Report Share Posted March 3, 2014 If it is sticking firing pins, I doubt snap caps will show it ..... because they are spring loaded and push the pin back themselves. At least, that's what I found on an o/u with that problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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