Do you really want this lot

[welsh1]

 

So an international company from an independent Britain will have a readily accessible market in the EU by your argument.

international companies outside of the eu trade with them now why would a British international company be any different.The eu needs to trade,Britain buys a lot from the eu.

Edited May 21, 2014 by welsh1

[TriBsa]

international companies outside of the eu trade with them now why would a British international company be any different.The eu needs to trade,Britain buys a lot from the eu.

I know, I'm agreeing with you.

 

 

 

Edited May 21, 2014 by TriBsa

[FalconFN]

 

So an international company from an independent Britain will have a readily accessible market in the EU by your argument.

It already does.

[FalconFN]

 

Some of these costs imposed on you are prohibitive and you decide that it just isn't worth jumping through those hoops and look elsewhere in the world for your market

 

A large international company not trading with the largest economy on Earth because they have a single set of rules?? Are you for real?

Edited May 21, 2014 by FalconFN

[kdubya]

international companies outside of the eu trade with them now why would a British international company be any different.The eu needs to trade,Britain buys a lot from the eu.

seeing as we make nowt now, and buy everything in at inflated prices (they call us treasure island) ( I cant see them stopping trade with an independent UK any time soon,still the founder members of the flat earth society will still be soiling themselves thinking leaving the parasitic EU will have us drop off the edge.

 

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Biblical_flat_earth_claims

[welsh1]

 

 

Some of these costs imposed on you are prohibitive and you decide that it just isn't worth jumping through those hoops and look elsewhere in the world for your market

 

A large international company not trading with the largest economy on Earth because they have a single set of rules?? Are you for real?

 

If i was an international manufacturer looking for the best deal why would i not look to china india usa,an independent UK,you could still trade your product in the eu,but to develop make and produce it look elsewhere,it is up to the countries to entice the international companies to them,something you cannot do when part of the eu,you have to obey the rules set and your hands are tied.

[overandunder2012]

only a few hours now chaps then the real discussion begins after we find out 1 way or the other what the people of the uk apparently want.

Edited May 21, 2014 by overandunder2012

[welsh1]

only a few hours now chaps then the real discussion begins after we find out 1 way or the other what the people of the uk apparently want.

Looking forward to at lest 40 pages

[poontang]

 

Isn't this more UKIP?

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29Mg6Gfh9Co

 

 

[poontang]

Early next week the markets will react to any victory of UKIP at the polls and the melt down will start with millions of pounds being wiped off Eurozone backed and GB held funds, equities and shares… I would advise anyone who has a flexible investment plan to re distribute these now as a precaution before it’s too late and you lose a pile off your pensions or investments… That’s not scaremongering that’s a message I’ve just received from my Fund Manager.

 

 

 

Come on Mike, that's desperate even for you.

[Nial]

 

 

Some of these costs imposed on you are prohibitive and you decide that it just isn't worth jumping through those hoops and look elsewhere in the world for your market

 

A large international company not trading with the largest economy on Earth because they have a single set of rules?? Are you for real?

 

 

If it's cheaper/easier involved less regulation to go and trade with all the other large economies worldwide then yes.

 

As a member of the EU the increased costs are imposed on _all_ our economic activity, not just the 10% that involves trade with the EU!

 

Countries that aren't members but who have free trade agreements (such as Mexico) don't have that additional burden on 90% of their economy.

 

Nial

[FalconFN]

 

 

Class

 

If it's cheaper/easier involved less regulation to go and trade with all the other large economies worldwide then yes.

 

As a member of the EU the increased costs are imposed on _all_ our economic activity, not just the 10% that involves trade with the EU!

 

Countries that aren't members but who have free trade agreements (such as Mexico) don't have that additional burden on 90% of their economy.

 

Nial

Where do you get your figures?

[poontang]

Class

Where do you get your figures?

 

I've been dying to roll it out...just been waiting for the right moment.

[Nial]

 

Where do you get your figures?

 

http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/cs37.pdf

 

Page 8 ...

"Sixty Per Cent of Our Economy? The second misconception is

that 60 per cent of our economy depends on the EU, whereas the

true figure is more like ten per cent. Exports of goods and services

only account for 21 per cent of ‘final demand’.2 If exports of goods

and services to the EU account for 48 per cent of total exports, then

ten per cent of GDP is currently the result of exports of goods and

services to other EU members.3 In other words, nearly 80 per cent

of our economy is the result of domestic activity, involving buying

from and selling to each other, and exports of goods and services

to the rest of the world account for another 11 per cent."

 

That's about 10 years old but I'm sure the percentages haven't changed much.

 

 

You don't mean to say you're arguing your position without really having looked into it do you?

 

Nial

[FalconFN]

 

http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/cs37.pdf

 

Page 8 ...

"Sixty Per Cent of Our Economy? The second misconception is

that 60 per cent of our economy depends on the EU, whereas the

true figure is more like ten per cent. Exports of goods and services

only account for 21 per cent of final demand.2 If exports of goods

and services to the EU account for 48 per cent of total exports, then

ten per cent of GDP is currently the result of exports of goods and

services to other EU members.3 In other words, nearly 80 per cent

of our economy is the result of domestic activity, involving buying

from and selling to each other, and exports of goods and services

to the rest of the world account for another 11 per cent."

 

That's about 10 years old but I'm sure the percentages haven't changed much.

 

 

You don't mean to say you're arguing your position without really having looked into it do you?

 

 

Nial

I mean about Mexican bureaucracy costs? How can you compare the internal workings of the EU and Mexico without figures.

[Nial]

I mean about Mexican bureaucracy costs? How can you compare the internal workings of the EU and Mexico without figures.

 

Gaaahhh, are you deliberately being obtuse?

 

All you need to know is that the vast majority of Mexican economic activity _isn't_ encumbered by an extra layer of EU rules.

 

 

Nial

[Sprackles]

 

 

Fisherman Mike, on 21 May 2014 - 12:13 PM, said:

 

Early next week the markets will react to any victory of UKIP at the polls and the melt down will start with millions of pounds being wiped off Eurozone backed and GB held funds, equities and shares… I would advise anyone who has a flexible investment plan to re distribute these now as a precaution before it’s too late and you lose a pile off your pensions or investments… That’s not scaremongering that’s a message I’ve just received from my Fund Manager.

 

I would sooner be a poorer Briton than a wealthier European and I kid you not.

[FalconFN]

 

Gaaahhh, are you deliberately being obtuse?

 

All you need to know is that the vast majority of Mexican economic activity _isn't_ encumbered by an extra layer of EU rules.

 

 

Nial

So? The vast majority of our economy is not encumbered by US rules. You have not understood my point at all.

[Nial]

So? The vast majority of our economy is not encumbered by US rules. You have not understood my point at all.

 

No it isn't, and yet we manage to trade with the US perfectly well.

 

What was your point?

 

Nial

[FalconFN]

 

No it isn't, and yet we manage to trade with the US perfectly well.

 

What was your point?

 

Nial

We do trade perfectly well with the US, will that change if we left the EU?

 

There will still be US rules to adehere to and the US will have to adehere to ours - the point I was making is that is a company in, say, the US wants to trade in Europe thay have to adhere to EU trade agreements and rules, but once that is done there are 28 countries to trade with easily. If they wanted to trade with the 28 country's individually they would have to negotiate 28 agreements and 28 sets of rules. Companies want to trade so access to the largest economy on the planet, in theory, becomes much easier.

 

Bringing in the percentages of trade inside and outside the EU is irrelevant to my point.

Edited May 21, 2014 by FalconFN

[Nial]

We do trade perfectly well with the US, will that change if we left the EU?

 

There will still be US rules to adehere to and the US will have to adehere to ours - the point I was making is that is a company in, say, the US wants to trade in Europe thay have to adhere to EU trade agreements and rules, but once that is done there are 28 countries to trade with easily. If they wanted to trade with the 28 country's individually they would have to negotiate 28 agreements and 28 sets of rules. Companies want to trade so access to the largest economy on the planet, in theory, becomes much easier.

 

"We do trade perfectly well with the US, will that change if we left the EU?"

 

No, because our trade with the US has nothing to do with us being in the EU.

 

You're arguing to make it easier for countries outside the EU whilst ignoring the extra burden that's placed on 90% of our economy.

 

If I sell products to the US they get it cheaper than someone in the EU because I don't have to add VAT. (I do sell products and this is a fact). Who is getting the better deal here?

 

 

Nial

Edited May 21, 2014 by Nial

[poontang]

It is just dawning on labour that they are also losing votes to UKIP,and judging by their poor performance of late and ed balls distancing himself from milliband there is a possibility of a leadership challenge after the eu elections,labour seem in disarray and have no coherent policy or direction.

 

 

 

I bet they didn't see this coming!!

 

http://www.economicvoice.com/leading-member-of-labour-finance-and-industry-group-joins-ukip/

 

Quite a coup for UKIP and a big slap in the face for Millibland...I'm sure it'll be all over the news and the papers tomorrow.

[welsh1]

 

I bet they didn't see this coming!!

 

http://www.economicvoice.com/leading-member-of-labour-finance-and-industry-group-joins-ukip/

 

Quite a coup for UKIP and a big slap in the face for Millibland...I'm sure it'll be all over the news and the papers tomorrow.

Oh dear,not been a good few days for mr milliband,i can hear them sharpening the knives from here Bet balls is already plotting.

[Scully]

DON'T FORGET TO VOTE !

[overandunder2012]

wil ukip rise or fall at the 1st fence, today should be interesting. wonder what ladbrooks think