Guest cookoff013 Posted August 10, 2014 Report Share Posted August 10, 2014 http://www.####.co.uk/kit.htm what a good idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deershooter Posted August 10, 2014 Report Share Posted August 10, 2014 It would be if it were cheaper might as well get George to make them for you Deershooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted August 10, 2014 Report Share Posted August 10, 2014 for the average reloader, theyre good enough. it would be cheaper for me to sell blood, semen, kidney (1), to save on the costs of reloading.... but as a starter kit, thats not too bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted August 10, 2014 Report Share Posted August 10, 2014 It would be if it were cheaper might as well get George to make them for you Deershooter I do! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted August 10, 2014 Report Share Posted August 10, 2014 Starts folk on the right track though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fieldwanderer Posted August 10, 2014 Report Share Posted August 10, 2014 kinda defeats the point of reloading though doesn't it? you can buy factory cartridges with those spec's for the same money. I thought the point was either to load your own cheaper (one way or another) or make cartridges to your own specification or the fascination of finding components that work well together etc etc or unusual loads, like 34g of 7s (for those of us who can't hit a barn door ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted August 10, 2014 Report Share Posted August 10, 2014 kinda defeats the point of reloading though doesn't it? you can buy factory cartridges with those spec's for the same money. I thought the point was either to load your own cheaper (one way or another) or make cartridges to your own specification or the fascination of finding components that work well together etc etc or unusual loads, like 34g of 7s (for those of us who can't hit a barn door ) Fieldwanderer looks like a good idea to me especially if new to reloading. And please tell me where and what make you are buying 12ga in fibre in 28gm #6 or #6.5 shot for £175.00 becuase I would like some. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted August 10, 2014 Report Share Posted August 10, 2014 It would be if it were cheaper might as well get George to make them for you Deershooter You mean George who has only listed his in Plastic wads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fieldwanderer Posted August 10, 2014 Report Share Posted August 10, 2014 (edited) I was talking more "roughly" than anything, but considering you're not paying for the hull (like you would be with factory ammo) - here's some plastic wad 28g 7.5s a quid cheaper http://www.justcartridges.com/images/pdfs/TR.pdf Just as an example, admittedly that's plastic wad vs folkestone's plastic wad 7s Edited August 10, 2014 by fieldwanderer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted August 10, 2014 Report Share Posted August 10, 2014 (edited) I was talking more "roughly" than anything, but considering you're not paying for the hull (like you would be with factory ammo) - here's some plastic wad 28g 7.5s a quid cheaper http://www.justcartridges.com/images/pdfs/TR.pdf Just as an example. Not a lot of good when you want FIBRE and #6 or #6.5 shot. But you have looked at every 12ga cartridge available in the UK listed on JC and failed to find a FIBRE 28gm #6 (or #6.5) for £175 So offer Trust Super Halcon 28gm #6 PLASTIC £175 ----- from that I conclude you are unable to buy a factory fibre cartridge for that money And that is why we reload. . Edited August 10, 2014 by rbrowning2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted August 10, 2014 Report Share Posted August 10, 2014 We can reload and save money? Why didn't anyone say before? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fieldwanderer Posted August 10, 2014 Report Share Posted August 10, 2014 (edited) erm, no, I went straight to that one and haven't bought factory shotgun ammunition for at least three years BUT, the point I was trying to make was you're very limited as to what you can load - i.e. just what you're given whereas I'm sure I'm not alone in thinking the flexibility to make your own just how you want to is part of the attraction. Yeah, it'll give a beginner components to make their own to a reasonable standard and at a good price but, for me at least, it still takes a lot away from the whole experience. And, of course, the beginner buying this starter kit may well be trying to put the components into an unsuitable hull - for example, IF the components will fit in an american hull - the lower case volume could put pressures too high. IF these components will fill a 67mm hull like they state, it'll likely result in a messy crimp in a 70mm hull because there's too much case to crimp nicely or the opposite if it's better suited to a 70mm hull - particularly with a fibre wad that won't give. The flexibility to find components that fine tune these things is important imho Edited August 10, 2014 by fieldwanderer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAsh Posted August 10, 2014 Report Share Posted August 10, 2014 No mention of the reloader being included in the price Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted August 10, 2014 Report Share Posted August 10, 2014 We can reload and save money? Why didn't anyone say before? It is possible to save money reloading for any gauge . For 12ga it is best to make you own shot, which is also an advantage for 20ga just ask sitsinhedges. The fibre kit at £175 for 28gm #6 or #6.5 is an excellent price shame it is collect only but these days I shoot more and more with my 28ga and then reloading saves a fortune. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted August 10, 2014 Report Share Posted August 10, 2014 erm, no, I went straight to that one and haven't bought factory shotgun ammunition for at least three years BUT, the point I was trying to make was you're very limited as to what you can load - i.e. just what you're given whereas I'm sure I'm not alone in thinking the flexibility to make your own just how you want to is part of the attraction. Yeah, it'll give a beginner components to make their own to a reasonable standard and at a good price but, for me at least, it still takes a lot away from the whole experience. And, of course, the beginner buying this starter kit may well be trying to put the components into an unsuitable hull - for example, IF the components will fit in an american hull - the lower case volume could put pressures too high. IF these components will fill a 67mm hull like they state, it'll likely result in a messy crimp in a 70mm hull because there's too much case to crimp nicely or the opposite if it's better suited to a 70mm hull - particularly with a fibre wad that won't give. The flexibility to find components that fine tune these things is important imho I think the idea is you tell them when ordering your kit if you are using 67mm or 70mm cases/hulls and then they supply the wad as required so when you load them you get the correct crimp, hence I say an excellent idea for a beginner if he adds a Lee Press as an option then better still. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted August 10, 2014 Report Share Posted August 10, 2014 No mention of the reloader being included in the price There isn't free labour either. The problem with new reloaders starting up,they get fleeced, they get told to use this n that, wasting money frustrating. In one transaction, bang! Value, correct everything! No messing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted August 10, 2014 Report Share Posted August 10, 2014 The fibre kit at £175 for 28gm #6 or #6.5 is an excellent price shame it is collect only but these days I shoot more and more with my 28ga and then reloading saves a fortune. Bingo! Yeah, shame is collect only. But there is no fudging that. Collect only. I been messing with 9s, 32g of them at 1300 should do at least 20yard clays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted August 10, 2014 Report Share Posted August 10, 2014 For me reloading is more about getting what I want than saving money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted August 10, 2014 Report Share Posted August 10, 2014 For me reloading is more about getting what I want than saving money For me its wasting money, but in the past I bought just under 1k worth of loading gear,the better part of £500 in proofing, and about that again in components. Is it fun? Hell yeah. Is it worth it? I dunno. My one goal is to help any one reload. Its not the answer for everyone. At one point ammo was so expensive, I could make 1000 shells, buy a new mec and burn £20 and I'd still be quids in! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbo33 Posted August 10, 2014 Report Share Posted August 10, 2014 Does no-one want to have fun with a hobby these days without it being either paid for by someone else or free Yesterday, I could have driven to the shop, bought two boxes of the cheapest carp they had, and forgetting the cost of running the car, I could then have sat on my ***** all day today, drinking tea and getting fat and bored. Instead, I went into the man cave and made changes to my reloading station. Then made up a couple of boxes of 28g #6 fibre 20g (the equal of £17.20p's worth of RC Sipe for £9) Also a couple of boxes of 32grm fibre 12g ( the equal of at least 32grms of clear pigeon £14, arguably a lot better for £8.50). And in both calibres, I have used new primed hulls from FES. It helps the economics, making my own shot. Spent a few hours last Saturday doing that I also had a very enjoyable time doing it. That enjoyment multiplies with every successful shot taken when you've made your own. The difficulty is getting started. Fortunately there are some very helpful and positive chaps on here who will put anyone on the right track. Unfortunately, there are some miserable old duffers who almost seem to enjoy being negative Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted August 10, 2014 Report Share Posted August 10, 2014 Does no-one want to have fun with a hobby these days without it being either paid for by someone else or free Yesterday, I could have driven to the shop, bought two boxes of the cheapest carp they had, and forgetting the cost of running the car, I could then have sat on my ***** all day today, drinking tea and getting fat and bored. Instead, I went into the man cave and made changes to my reloading station. Then made up a couple of boxes of 28g #6 fibre 20g (the equal of £17.20p's worth of RC Sipe for £9) Also a couple of boxes of 32grm fibre 12g ( the equal of at least 32grms of clear pigeon £14, arguably a lot better for £8.50). And in both calibres, I have used new primed hulls from FES. It helps the economics, making my own shot. Spent a few hours last Saturday doing that I also had a very enjoyable time doing it. That enjoyment multiplies with every successful shot taken when you've made your own. The difficulty is getting started. Fortunately there are some very helpful and positive chaps on here who will put anyone on the right track. Unfortunately, there are some miserable old duffers who almost seem to enjoy being negative Good post. Making a component, like lead brings home the bacon and sausages. I can't be ***** with that. But banging stuff off to test is what I can do. Not cheap. But I enjoy it. I get a lot of fun developing load. Where I get my kicks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deershooter Posted August 10, 2014 Report Share Posted August 10, 2014 You mean George who has only listed his in Plastic wads Here we go the trolls have started Deershooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingo15 Posted August 10, 2014 Report Share Posted August 10, 2014 Right I no nothing about reloading and stuff. But why are this kits better at £175. When proper cartridges have 30gram carts for £169 am I being completely thick?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbo33 Posted August 10, 2014 Report Share Posted August 10, 2014 Right I no nothing about reloading and stuff. But why are this kits better at £175. When proper cartridges have 30gram carts for £169 am I being completely thick?? Look again. FES 30grm kit is £165 for plastic wad. So although its not much, you are going to make them cheaper............free hobby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingo15 Posted August 10, 2014 Report Share Posted August 10, 2014 Oh I thought proper carts were fiber as people only used fibre for game/ pigeon etc shooting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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