Underdog Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 is over Failed to connect, time to draw a line through it! Waste of bismuth, need an 8g! http://youtu.be/fKQY-lG8gQM U. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshAndy Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 Don't give up bud! We must arrange for you to come here for a bash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loriusgarrulus Posted September 12, 2014 Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 Amazing how the flames shows up in the dull light. If you connect you could get them pre-singed. Don,t give up Christmas goose could still be on the menu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiffy Posted September 12, 2014 Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 does look impressive in the low light, please dont give up, the feeling of the first goose with the ML will im sure be an amazing one. im waiting on delivery of a 10 bore ML at the moment, not sure when ill get it though kranks say they 'hope' before christmas. already know the steel loads etc to use in it so just need the damnn gun to go after some geee myself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandalf Posted September 12, 2014 Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 Do NOT give up underdog. The satisfaction of that first kill will outdo all the disappointments at missing a shot or two. The ancients used to do it so you will get the hang of it too. Wonderful piece of video. Fowling is never easy even with the modern weaponry that we use today. Swing and more lead solves most fowling problems... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted September 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 Thanks gent. Kiffy...get that chuffin 10 over here! :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiffy Posted September 12, 2014 Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 crazy thing is from what ive read it doesnt take any larger load than the 12g version but has a bigger charge so has more umph behind it... ordered it over a month ago and checked this week and as i said earlie it could be months away. just hope i get it in time to get some practice in before taking it on the marsh before the end of the season if you pm me your email address ill send over the load data i have for the pedersolli muzzle loader Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted September 12, 2014 Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 (edited) Underdog, I think you just gave them some amusement with your firework party! I don't imagine those guns swing well so maybe you are more likely to miss behind etc ......... I had to watch these enjoying their breakfast in the peace and quiet this very morning !!!!!! Edited September 12, 2014 by malkiserow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted September 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 crazy thing is from what ive read it doesnt take any larger load than the 12g version but has a bigger charge so has more umph behind it... ordered it over a month ago and checked this week and as i said earlie it could be months away. just hope i get it in time to get some practice in before taking it on the marsh before the end of the season if you pm me your email address ill send over the load data i have for the pedersolli muzzle loader Hmmm that is not quite right friend.My Peder 10g was capable of 1&1/2oz and was choked. I used a few thin over shot cards as was. They curl up end on past the choke and then the rammer rights them. If your going with steel you need to protect the bore. Plastic wads are a pain to get past the chokes! Many use paper or wrapped plastic. Some use dense linen soaked in lube. If you do use plastic keep it off the powder! It will melt it! A card firewall is needed. Try not to put more powder to shot volume. As a general rule it blows patterns! Your chokes will help with that though. I shot my highest pheasant ever with my Peder 10g! 1&1/4oz of #7. U. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted September 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 Underdog, I think you just gave them some amusement with your firework party! I don't imagine those guns swing well so maybe you are more likely to miss behind etc ......... I had to watch these enjoying their breakfast in the peace and quiet this very morning !!!!!! There's a lot of money's worth, oops, doh lol U;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted September 12, 2014 Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 There were loads more than those! but none on my permissions !!!!!!! " this time next year we could be millionaires " as Delboy once said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiffy Posted September 12, 2014 Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 Hmmm that is not quite right friend. My Peder 10g was capable of 1&1/2oz and was choked. I used a few thin over shot cards as was. They curl up end on past the choke and then the rammer rights them. If your going with steel you need to protect the bore. Plastic wads are a pain to get past the chokes! Many use paper or wrapped plastic. Some use dense linen soaked in lube. If you do use plastic keep it off the powder! It will melt it! A card firewall is needed. Try not to put more powder to shot volume. As a general rule it blows patterns! Your chokes will help with that though. I shot my highest pheasant ever with my Peder 10g! 1&1/4oz of #7. U. thats strange but nice to know, i say strange as the info i had from a guy at pedersolli was different. i must say that pedersolli have been brilliant, i emailed a question about steel loads and the guy everytime he has something new emails me through, he gave me an american website for a muzzle loader and the guy has used their double 10 for years and has done steel load testing with it cant wait to get it not just to have a play with loads but because im without a muzzle loader at the moment and am missing it.. so different from my A400 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted September 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 thats strange but nice to know, i say strange as the info i had from a guy at pedersolli was different. i must say that pedersolli have been brilliant, i emailed a question about steel loads and the guy everytime he has something new emails me through, he gave me an american website for a muzzle loader and the guy has used their double 10 for years and has done steel load testing with it cant wait to get it not just to have a play with loads but because im without a muzzle loader at the moment and am missing it.. so different from my A400 I get itchy if I go longer than a week lol. The volume for volume is based on lead. Keep the volume the same as though you were using lead but weight the steel. Where steel is good it will give you a lot more pellets over lead. Over muzzleloader ranges, devastating. Pedersoli are a good company, what did he say then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
demonwolf444 Posted September 12, 2014 Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 (edited) Haha we really do sing from the same song sheet. Guess who else has been sat in the hedge back waiting for geese to flight? I spent two days watching them, the best way i have found is to just attempt to mimic a goose call with your voice, mine usually does not sound much like a goose but it seems to get the birds attention and bring them over lower to look for a wounded bird or something, it worked fine to get them low enough. My favorite large shot size in muzzle loaders is BB, still throws a decent pattern and with each pellet about the size of a .177 it seems to pack some punch. You said you were using bismuth but what shot size? I have been experimenting with steel however at the moment the paper shotcups i am making do not separate the shot from the barrel wall enough so i am going to try some thicker cups. I think so long as i keep to below 30 yards there should be enough energy there to make a lethal shot. Havent got one yet; **** law that when i thought i had it all sussed i sat out and the geese were a no show! stuff it i am heading to kranks now. Edited September 12, 2014 by demonwolf444 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted September 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 How many wraps and what paper DW? #5 bizzy. Wanted head and neck them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
demonwolf444 Posted September 12, 2014 Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 I think the ones i tested yesterday were four wraps of cartridge paper, though i used pritstick i have heard if you use pva liberally it hardens the paper up some what so i shall try that today. Sounds tedious but when be light the aga i will be able to roll a load of them and dry them in the bottom oven. When i collected the paper you could see where the shot had worn through and touched the sides of the barrel. I think if i roll the paper so it is 2 - 3mm thick that should be more than adequate.. hate driving into cities but i do quite fancy a little trip to kranks now, but when i leave the traffic will be rubbish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted September 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 I know what you mean about traffic. Some have made paper crosses and push the centre in first. The legs fold up and follow. U. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scarecrow243 Posted September 12, 2014 Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 Hi good vid remember the flintlock is slower on ignition than percussion cap so you have to allow for the delay you will get your goose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted September 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 Hi good vid remember the flintlock is slower on ignition than percussion cap so you have to allow for the delay you will get your gooseLol thanks mate, yes :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
demonwolf444 Posted September 12, 2014 Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 Lol, I'm back! 200 caps, 100 primed cases. 7kg of number five. 500g of powder. Lets get loading. Race to the goose now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiffy Posted September 12, 2014 Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 i wish i lived that close to kranks... all those lovely muzzle loaders.. its going to kill me waiting another few months for mine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted September 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 Get booming lads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
demonwolf444 Posted September 12, 2014 Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 Well went out tonight with some steel loads, did not have time to make new shot cups, and lead, few skeins were milling about but not flighting over my perm, when the most of them left they obviously left one of their mates behind because he was circling the field i was in calling out, some poor calling had him coming plum dumb over me at 30 yards, however the particular field has a foot path running parallel and i couldn't pull the trigger as two riding school ponies were going past at the same time as the goose. That plan failed so my mother bought up my pup.. getting on towards six months so i thought i would wing it and introduce her to gunfire, so i had her sat next to me and let off a shot; she was not bothered, i reassured her after by letting her have a sniff of the gun and giving her a pat. Very pleasing! Had one barrel still loaded and took a walk through the rough grass to see what the dog would put up, she is very instinctive, Was not expecting anything but she almost immediately put up a hare, which i lifted the gun to as it was close but i had the hammer on half cock... tough luck. She was a little jumpy when i cleared the other barrel; but then again so was i as i was stood about ten yards from a open ended 55 gallon drum that was in the field and the sound echoed in the drum when i fired, it fair scared me because it made the exact noise i would expect to hear when a set of barrels blows up. Need to do a pattern test with my pre rolled steel, pre rolled lead, and then compare them to lead loaded from the muzzle with proper wads, you definately get better pressure using proper wads but i want to see how that affects the pattern and penetration. We should have a sticky somewhere for our muzzle loader related forays and experiments Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted September 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2014 Nice one DW. Nearly! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiffy Posted September 13, 2014 Report Share Posted September 13, 2014 We should have a sticky somewhere for our muzzle loader related forays and experiments nice write up and couldnt agree more on that one as we do tend to use specific threads to go off topic and talk about our love of muzzle loaders. a sticky would ease that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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