TheEnforcer Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 Ive got a semi auto. 2+1 Following usual loading routine of 1st one into the chamber, bolt release and 2nd into the tube, it keeps spitting the 2nd one out of the tube and onto the lifting plate therefore preventing me from loading a 3rd into the tube. What should I look for here as a culprit? Thanks, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainBeaky Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 Magazine stop latch - possibly the spring is broken, or the lip at the front is burred over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 Agreed , thats really all it can be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KFC Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 When you push the cartridge into the mag feel and listen for a slight 'click'. this will be the latch engaging. If it doesn't happen then, as has been said, the latch spring is broken or the latch is stuck open. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEnforcer Posted November 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 Thanks for the replies. There is a firm click from the stop latch and the cartridge holds in place. When you release the lifting plate and it locks back down, that's when it releases the cartridge back onto the plate. It's almost ghost loading itself if that makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 I dont believe in ghosts , what gun is it ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 Oh boy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosd Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 As others have said, it can only be the sprung stop latch. Make and model of the gun and someone here should be able to help identify where the problem lies. Cos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett1985 Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 make and model of the gun please..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billytheghillie Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 looking at his profile, its a hatsan escort mpa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breastman Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 Try loading the magazine only (close the bolt on an empty chamber) and see if it does it then aswell. If it does its the magazine stop latch, if not its something else. Does you Hatsan have the button you have to press to load a cartridge or is it the newer version the the lever in the lifting plate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEnforcer Posted November 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 Its a Fabarm Ellegi. I've cleaned out the action and it's caused when you have placed the cartridge into the magazine and you remove your finger from the lifting plate, as the plate lowers it allows the last loaded cartridge to come out of the magazine. Cartridge latch isn't worn or rounded. If you keep the plate depressed in between cartridges you can load 2 perfectly, but again, once compete you hear it snap shut and the last cartridge is partially ejected from the tube and rests under the bolt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 (edited) Is this a new gun for you ? Has it got a quick load system like the browning maxus , on that you just put the first cartridge in the magazine and it shoots it straight out and loads it , you then put two in the magazine Depressing the lifting plate ( carrier ) really should have no effect as that and the latch are not connected. What happens if you do not drop one in the chamber first , just load the first cartridge in the magazine ? Edited November 5, 2014 by fenboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breastman Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 As above, sounds like its got an auto feed system Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEnforcer Posted November 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 I can feel a YouTube video being made so that I can show you rather than try and explain! The gun is new to me and I dont really know what a quick load system is. I will try and load straight into the magazine without one in the chamber. Looking closely at the working parts on the lifting plate / shell carrier it seems to be manufactured so that once you have finished loading it part ejects the last loaded cartridge for it to rest under the bolt. This would seem to be a viable system whereby the next cartridge in line is closer to the chamber for quicker loading, but would prevent you from loading any more cartridges until the magazine is completely empty. I can feel a YouTube video being made so that I can show you rather than try and explain! The gun is new to me and I dont really know what a quick load system is. I will try and load straight into the magazine without one in the chamber. Looking closely at the working parts on the lifting plate / shell carrier it seems to be manufactured so that once you have finished loading it part ejects the last loaded cartridge for it to rest under the bolt. This would seem to be a viable system whereby the next cartridge in line is closer to the chamber for quicker loading, but would prevent you from loading any more cartridges until the magazine is completely empty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breastman Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 If its a new gun, stupid question; have you read the manual?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 Did it do it before you stripped it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEnforcer Posted November 6, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2014 It's a new gun to me. It's about 25yrs old. Yes it did do it before I stripped it. I tried it on an empty chamber and it did the same thing. It's a new gun to me. It's about 25yrs old. Yes it did do it before I stripped it. I tried it on an empty chamber and it did the same thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted November 6, 2014 Report Share Posted November 6, 2014 Take the trigger unit out and see if the magazine holds rounds in securely, even when the bolt is manually manipulated. Report back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEnforcer Posted November 6, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2014 Underdog, trigger mech removed and the cartridges are firmly secured into the magazine until the shell release latch is actioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted November 6, 2014 Report Share Posted November 6, 2014 What shell release catch? I only see a bolt release button! Besides that, with the trigger group removed is the same fault apparent? U. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEnforcer Posted November 6, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2014 Shell release catch is inside the body of the shotgun. With the trigger group out you can load cartridges and it retains them. Cycle the action and it spits them both out because the shell release latch is actioned by the bolt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted November 6, 2014 Report Share Posted November 6, 2014 That does not sound right brother! Most autos the bolt does not release cartridges in battery from the mag, it is usually a result from the hammer dropping on the trigger group that actuates a lever on the group.! Have a look. U. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEnforcer Posted November 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 15, 2014 Turns out the action bar was broken and it wasn't pressing on the shell release lever to hold the next shell in its place. Hence it was spitting them out all the time. Big thanks to wabbitbosher for supplying the replacement part and getting me on the road again with it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted November 15, 2014 Report Share Posted November 15, 2014 Happy days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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