Scully Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-30044036 Another convicted murderer released to do it again. If murdering someone isn't reason enough to jail them for life, just how much more serious can a crime be before life means life? These cases simply infuriate me, they really do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Prawn Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 I might be reading it wrong but it doesn't say anything about him being previously convicted. It does say he was previously charged with murder but that was in relation to this offence? Clearly not defending him as he is obviously a scumbag especially for trying the diminished responsibility plea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 We must remember that the perpetrators human rights are vastly more important than the crime! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 What I want to know is how the hell you can strangle and stab someone to death, and be charged with manslaughter? and get 20 years? KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guest1957 Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 I don't think he is a convicted murderer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted November 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 (edited) I don't think he is a convicted murderer? http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/gemma-finnigans-killer-daniel-johnson-8106360 Try this one. Edited November 13, 2014 by Scully Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 What I want to know is how the hell you can strangle and stab someone to death, and be charged with manslaughter? and get 20 years? KW The law states that murder is premeditated whereas Manslaughter is a heat of the moment/crime of passion so it's not what he did, it's his state of mind when he did it. http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/gemma-finnigans-killer-daniel-johnson-8106360 Try this one. Reading this, the man seems to have real mental health issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guest1957 Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/gemma-finnigans-killer-daniel-johnson-8106360 Try this one. That gives more background. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STOTTO Posted November 14, 2014 Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 ‘Diminished Responsibility’ the Scumbags guilty copout clause, then plead down to Manslaughter. Well let’s say that the beating unconscious and strangling part and perhaps the first half dozen or so stab wounds were the unpremeditated bit but after the other eight knife wounds I think any reasonable person could safely assume that he definitely intended to murder her! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onatangent Posted November 14, 2014 Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 Great, another boohoo thread. You cant change it. Maybe more time should be spent lobbying parliament instead of the forum?? You accept the law of the land for firearm licencing so accept the release. Or is it you don't accept it but jump through the hoops because it suits but convicts being released doesn't so has to be an issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STOTTO Posted November 14, 2014 Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 Great, another boohoo thread. You cant change it. Maybe more time should be spent lobbying parliament instead of the forum?? You accept the law of the land for firearm licencing so accept the release. Or is it you don't accept it but jump through the hoops because it suits but convicts being released doesn't so has to be an issue. Both options carry equal weight, it’s just that on the forum the noises are more encouraging! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onatangent Posted November 14, 2014 Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 there is that :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted November 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 Great, another boohoo thread. You cant change it. Maybe more time should be spent lobbying parliament instead of the forum?? You accept the law of the land for firearm licencing so accept the release. Or is it you don't accept it but jump through the hoops because it suits but convicts being released doesn't so has to be an issue. Boohoo? Who's crying? Certainly not me, but probably the parents, friends and relatives of the murdered woman. You have no idea how much time I have spent in the past lobbying (and to a lesser extent still do) parliament, for one reason or another, but I am one person. If I can enrage others enough to do likewise, then maybe, just maybe, there will eventually be someone in a position of authority or influence who sits up and says 'they've got a point; this isn't right'. You and I both know it's very unlikely, but it's even more unlikely if I keep quiet. All it takes......etc etc. I don't accept the law of the land for firearms licensing either ( but what that has to do with this topic I have no idea) and to suggest so shows you don't know me at all, as nothing could be further from the truth, and have lobbied throughout the years MP's, the HO, our media and our shooting organisations, so why on earth should I accept the release of a convicted murderer? I have no alternative but to comply with firearms legislation, as do you, ( but only those required by legislation and certainly not those created on the whim of some chief constable) to continue to legally shoot, but to suggest I will 'jump through hoops' is laughable. I can assure you my firearms licensing dept and me have had many a tiff; some I win, others I lose, but there are no 'hoops' in sight. Even then it doesn't mean I have to sit back and do nothing but accept it. If you regard releasing convicted murderers back into society with the freedom to reoffend not to be an issue, then fair enough, but I do. It doesn't have to be an issue, I think it already is, and probably so do the poor girls parents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onatangent Posted November 14, 2014 Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 and what have you achieved? Wasted ink, breath, keyboard life and time. Who is enraged? No one. Keyboard warriors saying its disgusting and doing nothing more. I will admit I am pleasantly surprised that you do lobby as well as forum rant. Kudos, no sarcasm intended or implied. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted November 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 and what have you achieved? Nothing. Wasted ink, breath, keyboard life and time. I don't consider it a waste; but doing nothing I would consider so. Who is enraged? Me. No one. I can't be the only one. Keyboard warriors saying its disgusting and doing nothing more. I have said as much on this forum, but have only used the 'keyboard warrior' phrase once. People do get enraged about certain topics, but it's only human nature to then sit back and do nothing. People have their own lives to lead and what was vitally important to them one day usually fades into obscurity with day to day living, unless it effects them personally. I will admit I am pleasantly surprised that you do lobby as well as forum rant. Kudos, no sarcasm intended or implied. Thankyou. I enjoy a rant as much as the next man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guest1957 Posted November 15, 2014 Report Share Posted November 15, 2014 Diminished Responsibility the Scumbags guilty copout clause, then plead down to Manslaughter. Well lets say that the beating unconscious and strangling part and perhaps the first half dozen or so stab wounds were the unpremeditated bit but after the other eight knife wounds I think any reasonable person could safely assume that he definitely intended to murder her! I'm not sure that you understand the law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted November 15, 2014 Report Share Posted November 15, 2014 I'm not sure that you understand the law. when I see some of the verdicts that are dished out at times I cant disagree. KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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