Guest cookoff013 Posted April 28, 2015 Report Share Posted April 28, 2015 I'm sure 32g #4 steel at 1400fps is a decent game load. Maybe a little more oomph than a 28g #7 steel. But those would be good for deemed birds. Worth having ago. A guy here uses that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick miller Posted April 28, 2015 Report Share Posted April 28, 2015 Kent Velocity do a 28gm 7.5 steel in fibre wad. I may try a couple of boxes of those (50) and see how I get on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catamong Posted April 28, 2015 Report Share Posted April 28, 2015 Never found that at all, most quality steel loads will do the job just fine and 32 gram of gamebore steel 4 or 5 will match them all day long in the right hands Looks like you've come to the conclusion that it's not the shells, just me pointing the gun in the wrong place..? Now.., why didn't I think of that one...doh.. Hope to see you then at the Charity Shoot at Orston, it's just down the road from you..? Cat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted April 28, 2015 Report Share Posted April 28, 2015 Looks like you've come to the conclusion that it's not the shells, just me pointing the gun in the wrong place..? Now.., why didn't I think of that one...doh.. Hope to see you then at the Charity Shoot at Orston, it's just down the road from you..? Cat. I don't think that is what he was getting at. Muncher and I used several Gamebore and Eley steel loads today (32gm 4) and they killed very well at good distances. I'm sure the Black Gold would kill well, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muncher Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 i Was not having a go Cat ,ive noticed that many people condem steel very quickly and when you use steel shot it takes some getting used to it is easy to blame the cartridge because its steel .I Was shooting with Motty yesterday and i shot steel all day and his ranges with lead were no further than mine and in my opion, i think i had the edge on range ,but you will have to wait for a reply of wayne on that one ,he was mainly useing lead 7s i think . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 Steel 9s are bad on sprouting, tried them. However in deniably they are the best skeet shells I have ever used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tignme Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 (edited) Have used 28 gram no 7s in steel for years.(Mirage) currently using 24 gram no 7s and still shooting rangey birds. no difference in the total birds shot per season. Steel is tighter patterened than lead . I did extensive tests on choking and 24,28 and 32 gram loads on the pattern plate at 20,25,30,35 and 40 yrds all measured by old fashioned tape. My usual chokes of 5/8 and 3/8 were far to tight so slackened off to cylinder and 3/8. When i do the business they do theirs. In 50 yrs decoying pigeons i could honestly say we have had very few hard shot birds. most pigeons are brought down by a few peices of shot. Cookoff.. The no7s in steel by mirage are sold as skeet shells. When i used lead i regurally used no 9s for decoying through a 1/2 choke. Edited April 29, 2015 by tignme Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catamong Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 (edited) i Was not having a go Cat ,ive noticed that many people condem steel very quickly and when you use steel shot it takes some getting used to it is easy to blame the cartridge because its steel .I Was shooting with Motty yesterday and i shot steel all day and his ranges with lead were no further than mine and in my opion, i think i had the edge on range ,but you will have to wait for a reply of wayne on that one ,he was mainly useing lead 7s i think . No offence taken Muncher, but I have noticed I get fewer runners with the smaller shot size. On more than one occasion, using 32g or even 36g steel 4's or 5's, I've hit a bird over the kill zone at 20 - 25 yards, when I've gone out to pick it up, it's jumped up and flown away. ! That doesn't happen now using the smaller shot size, they seem to kill much more cleanly..? Cat. Edited April 30, 2015 by Catamong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 No offence taken Muncher, but I have noticed I get fewer runners with the smaller shot size. On more than one occasion, using 32g or even 36g steel 4's or 5's, I've hit a bird over the kill zone at 20 - 25 yards, when I've gone out to pick it up, it's jumped up and flown away. ! That doesn't happen now using the smaller shot size, they seem to kill much more cleanly..? Cat. I can understand that , much better pattern density with small steel so more chance of hitting vitals. Trouble is that with steel being quick and not deforming the larger pellets may well go clean through at short range and if they are not hitting vitals the pigeon may well fly on until it bleeds out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 The same reason is why I've always preferred lead 7's over decoys to 6's, for me they seem to kill better despite the theoretical advantage of the bigger pellets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 Pattern density vs shotsizes are two different things. Small shotsize does not have magical properties. What small shot looses out on is speed at distance. Whereas bigger shot looses out on pattern. If you look at it like a reverse equivalents 7.5steel are like lead 9s. Hardly ideal for a dedicated bird shell. That's dedicated to take care of any sporting chance. Now no-one can really take away anyone's experiences with this stuff. I used a ton of steel on clays 9s and they are only good on the skeet field. Steel is not quick. It is never better than lead in factory options. Most factory shells do 1300fps at most. Maybe even slower. Probably the density is the big factor here but wouldn't that suffice to say 32g #7 even better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 Theorys are great , but what happens in the real world is what really matters . Fact is there are plenty of people shooting plenty of pigeon with loads of small steel , and they are not just restricting their shots to whats over the decoys . I know on one of Stevos videos he was using some small steel among other lead loads and noted he could not tell the difference , and he is not afraid to take on a long one from what I have seen. Yes 32 grams of 7 would be great so would 36 grams of 7.5 so where do you draw the line ? When I use to do a lot of pigeon shooting my cartridge of choice was 30 gram 7 , its only the fact I can no longer find a affordable cartridge of that load now prevents me from still using them . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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