trymd Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 Hi! I've been reading on these forums occasionally and decided it was time jo sign up and join. I recently bought a used BC Miroku, 12/70, chokes are IC and full. The owner, an elderly man, was unsure when it was manufactured and didn't know which model it was. So I try my luck with you. Any ideas as to which model it is and which year it was produced? Attached are photos of the shotgun. I think it's a great gun, just spent the weekend at the shooting range and it handles great (had to adjust the stock with paper and tape though). Hope you can help. Kind regards from Norway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savhmr Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 That looks a little like the "Charles Daly" (Venture) grade O/U Miroku from the late 1960's or early 1970s. They were very well made shotguns. Nice find. It was the entry level Miroku of the time, a real workhorse. Back then, Miroku offered several grades, with the top one I believe being the Diamond Regent, with quality engraving, gold inlays and fancy wood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 looks like an 800 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trymd Posted August 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 Thanks for the reply guys! I never grasped which Charles Daly models correspond to which "numbered" models. I do however believe that the engraving on the 800 is differently made than this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardwoods Green Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 That's a 3700/3750 circa 1980/81 should have a PM or PZ serial no Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger-Mouse Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 looks like an 800 That`s what I thought too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobba Posted August 21, 2015 Report Share Posted August 21, 2015 Possibly Googling "BC Miroku serial numbers" may help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trymd Posted August 21, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2015 Well, the previous owner said he bought it secondhand in the 70s. Although I never saw proof of this, I trust him. I can't believe there are many 89 year olds out there bothering to tell lies. Maybe I'm gullable... Anyways, serial doesn't provide much info (to my knowledge at least) as it contains only one letter (M). Googling it doesn't help either. I'll provide more photos of the action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted August 21, 2015 Report Share Posted August 21, 2015 https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=bc+miroku+model+800&biw=1024&bih=702&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAmoVChMIyOW_6r66xwIVg9UaCh1r4gce#imgrc=QtklX9WQ_LhPrM%3A Looks identical to the model mentioned by Savhmr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savhmr Posted August 21, 2015 Report Share Posted August 21, 2015 Yup, and ties in with the date the previous owner suggested (ie used in the 1970s would imply it's of 60's/70's manufacture and the serial numbers dont talley with later ones issued by Browning, hence I reckoned it could be a Charles Daly Venture...quite similar looking to the 800). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alycidon Posted August 21, 2015 Report Share Posted August 21, 2015 I have had a 700 in the early 70s, looks very similar, choking is very odd if original. Most 800s were built as sporters or trap guns, big bulky fore ends and at least 1/4 + 3/4. NOt heard of this Charles Daly model but the link does look very similar. The importers at that time were Parker Hale who have now I believe gone out of business so trying to trace the serial number through the manufacturer is about the only avenue. I hope you had better luck that I did when I bought a 3700HS blind and was pretty sure I ended up with an S model but could not proove it. A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger-Mouse Posted August 21, 2015 Report Share Posted August 21, 2015 If there are no letters to mark the date of manufacture then it`s definitely pre 1975. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardwoods Green Posted August 21, 2015 Report Share Posted August 21, 2015 Does it have disc strikers? What is the serial no? I'm confused now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powler Posted August 22, 2015 Report Share Posted August 22, 2015 I got a Miroku ORE that has no numbers with the serial but the proof mark (If I rememeber correctly) is Birmingham 1971. Thats if it was proofed at Birningham of course. This thread here might help, scroll down and you can see some info on proof markings. http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/topic/266541-help-identifying-an-old-bsa-shotgun/ Hope this helps. Mick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savhmr Posted August 22, 2015 Report Share Posted August 22, 2015 I don't recognise where it was proofed from the "Christmas Pudding"-like proof mark but "SP" was often used to denote "Special Proof" for heavier loads, and underneath it confirms a chamber length of 70mm or 2 3/4 inches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powler Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 I don't recognise where it was proofed from the "Christmas Pudding"-like proof mark but "SP" was often used to denote "Special Proof" for heavier loads, and underneath it confirms a chamber length of 70mm or 2 3/4 inches. Mines got the exact same marking on it aswell according to uttings webby --> http://utting.org/site/miroku-m500-proof-marks/ this is for "SP in circle surmounted by ‘horns’ over NP = Japanese nitro proof" But I also have the proof stamp, the crossed swords with the letters W and B(1971) from Birmingham on the side of the barrel by the ejectors as below. Mick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterT Posted December 15, 2019 Report Share Posted December 15, 2019 Hi, I have just read the forum and am interested in what has bee said. I have a Miroku 2800SW Skeet gun, serial number has no letters so I presume it will be 1975 or before. I have searched the internet to find more information about the gun with no joy. Some time ago one came up for sale in Australia or New Zealand but have not found any in the UK. Has anyone out there any information or who may have some. Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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