Paul223 Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 hello, as far as i know rainbow trout do not breed in our lakes and ponds, why dont you contact a fish farm near you to get some info. or put in some perch? See the answers above, I speak from the experience of a wife who is a commercial trout hatchery manager of 12 years! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted September 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 Everyone is spot on with the tripploids,should fit the bill nicely. Has ur pond got an outlet? I'd be looking to put some sort of mesh/grid over it to stop fish swimming out. Prob not as easy as it sounds as it will then have to be cleaned to stop it crudding up and cope with floods Or build a sluice might be easier? Yes it's got a pipe that stands out of the water and when it gets too high, it trickles out through that. If it really floods there are 2 large bore pipes going through the bank discharging to the stream below, but these are already meshed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teal Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 Think you may find that if the rudd are stunted there is an issue with the water quality, and your other fish may struggle. Don't know much about fish, but in Ireland there were some big lakes with very small trout only in them (capable of breeding though). Yet other waters not far away would have the distribution of trout sizes you would expect. Locals said it was down to the water in those lakes being quite acidic, I've never looked it up. But there had to be a reason these trout weren't growing to a bigger size, and I wonder if same might be case with yours - which incidentally I looked at your other thread and it looked lovely. Good luck with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secretagentmole Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 Yeah, I thought about them for some time, but apparently they are very hard to get hold of and have a high mortality rate. I was going down the trout route because i can eat them when they've done their job. Grilled Perch will knock the spots off your average Trout you know... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted September 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 (edited) Think you may find that if the rudd are stunted there is an issue with the water quality, and your other fish may struggle. Don't know much about fish, but in Ireland there were some big lakes with very small trout only in them (capable of breeding though). Yet other waters not far away would have the distribution of trout sizes you would expect. Locals said it was down to the water in those lakes being quite acidic, I've never looked it up. But there had to be a reason these trout weren't growing to a bigger size, and I wonder if same might be case with yours - which incidentally I looked at your other thread and it looked lovely. Good luck with it. Thanks. From what I can tell from the neighbour, there USED to be good size coarse fish in there since the trout, but this was all 3-4 years ago or more. Who knows where they've gone now? Possibly locals fishing there without permission? (Before a heavily armed man and his stroppy dog moved in. ) The general consensus on why they are stunted is because of the sheer numbers. Obviously I'm going to try the cheapest methods first. Edited September 30, 2015 by walshie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hambone Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 Grilled Perch will knock the spots off your average Trout you know... Have not tried Perch but the best fish in batter I have had was Pike, not had a cod that came close taste wise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger-Mouse Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 Don`t forget that whatever you decide to introduce you need permission from the EA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duckandswing Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 Have not tried Perch but the best fish in batter I have had was Pike, not had a cod that came close taste wise. Try Zander, taste like heaven. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVB Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 All of this sounds hit and miss to me. I know you considered netting and to me it seems the easiest way of emptying the pond completely (or nearly) enabling you to start from scratch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted October 1, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 (edited) After a lengthy phone call with a trout hatchery, apparently this is fairly common practice to stock these little ponds with trout to sort out whatever's in there. Apparently netting isn't foolproof as you can't get all the fish all the time. It's a bit of a palaver though. I have to register the "fishery" with CEFAS, then when they give me a registration number, I apply to Natural Resources Wales for a site permit, and once i have all that, I can buy some fish. Not till then though. Edited October 1, 2015 by walshie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 Where abouts in Wales are you? PM if you like Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimpkiller Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 My grandfather always said tench was nice eating Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVB Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 After a lengthy phone call with a trout hatchery, apparently this is fairly common practice to stock these little ponds with trout to sort out whatever's in there. Apparently netting isn't foolproof as you can't get all the fish all the time. It's a bit of a palaver though. I have to register the "fishery" with CEFAS, then when they give me a registration number, I apply to Natural Resources Wales for a site permit, and once i have all that, I can buy some fish. Not till then though. That does seem like hard work. Is that only the case with trout and if so why? If you wanted to stock It with goldfish would you need to go through all that? What about one of those electric gadgets that they use to stun the fish? Or dynamite? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted October 1, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 That does seem like hard work. Is that only the case with trout and if so why? If you wanted to stock It with goldfish would you need to go through all that? What about one of those electric gadgets that they use to stun the fish? Or dynamite? Applies to all fish movement nowadays. I guess not goldfish as you can buy them anywhere, but hatcheries won't sell you anything without the paperwork. It all moves quite quickly though. The guy from NRW is coming to see the pond Wednesday, even before I get the reg. no. for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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