hw 110

[pigdoff]

Found out today that weirauch have put a recall on the hw 110 and new h 100 models as there is a problem with accuracy on certain barrels - it is the barrels which are not threaded to the end of the step down for the moderater .

[chrisjpainter]

Do you have one mate? I do and mine's unaffected, fortunately! Lovely guns though. For anyone in doubt if your thread looks like this...

you're fine.

 

If it looks like this...

It's in need of the recall

[secretagentmole]

Now what was I saying?

Oh yes I recall, HW quality is not all it should be for such expensive guns!

[evo]

Now what was I saying?

Oh yes I recall, HW quality is not all it should be for such expensive guns!

yet you went out and bought a HW100 with a duff stock,, come on mole,, just for once give an air rifle manufacturer a bit of credit ,,

 

good on weihrauch for having the dogs to recall the rifles, unlike some manufacturers ,,,

 

and yes I know it should not have happened but it has and they have made the right decision in recalling them

[oowee]

How does it effect accuracy?

[secretagentmole]

yet you went out and bought a HW100 with a duff stock,,I did not know it had a duff stock when I bought it, come on mole,, just for once give an air rifle manufacturer a bit of credit ,,I have I admitted that it had a surprisingly good shot count and was very accurate

 

good on weihrauch for having the dogs to recall the rifles, unlike some manufacturers ,,, But surely they should have checked some of the batch for accuracy?

 

and yes I know it should not have happened but it has and they have made the right decision in recalling them If they had checked or accuracy they would not have this embarrassment

 

Look when you pay premium money for a rifle like a 100, you expect premium quality, HW have a reputation for (on PCP rifles alone), poor accuracy, more Leaks than Wales and poor finishing. I bought an HW because I trust BSA even less as far as quality goes, Air Arms I trust even less than BSA as far as reliability goes (and the spares/servicing department should have the name Catheter when it comes to servicing a T200 cylinder goes) and the fact that their guns are not regulated where we all know an HW100 is regulated, Daystate even the cheapest is more expensive than the HW100, so I went for an HW100 and I really like the magazine and sidelever!

Edited June 25, 2016 by secretagentmole

[evo]

 

Look when you pay premium money for a rifle like a 100, you expect premium quality, HW have a reputation for (on PCP rifles alone), poor accuracy, more Leaks than Wales and poor finishing. I bought an HW because I trust BSA even less as far as quality goes, Air Arms I trust even less than BSA as far as reliability goes (and the spares/servicing department should have the name Catheter when it comes to servicing a T200 cylinder goes) and the fact that their guns are not regulated where we all know an HW100 is regulated, Daystate even the cheapest is more expensive than the HW100, so I went for an HW100 and I really like the magazine and sidelever!

mole I,ve never read anything like this,,, your slating air arms and everything YET the side lever on the air arms is far superior to the HW,, if you want my advice get shut of the hw and get a s510 ultimate sporter, then and only then will you see what a side lever is all about, also the huntsman was cheaper than the hw100, I paid £700 new for mine yet my hw100 was £749

 

edit,,,,,, oh and with regards the hw,s not being accurate is total utter nonsense,, if that's the case why did you buy one

Edited June 25, 2016 by evo

[pigdoff]

Do you have one mate? I do and mine's unaffected, fortunately! Lovely guns though. For anyone in doubt if your thread looks like this...

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you're fine.

 

If it looks like this...

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It's in need of the recall

Yep mine has the stepped end on it so needs new barrel - was spot on to start with but now groups are sh*te - tried 4 different good quality pellets to no avail .Just have to get the pheonix mk2 out till rfd calls to say new barrel is in .

[evo]

Yep mine has the stepped end on it so needs new barrel - was spot on to start with but now groups are sh*te - tried 4 different good quality pellets to no avail .Just have to get the pheonix mk2 out till rfd calls to say new barrel is in .

sorry to hear about the recall on your rifle buddy, don't worry once you get it back I,m sure it will be the rifle its meant to be, what I cant work out is " how on earth can a thread on the outside of a barrel affect the accuracy of it ? "

 

I think there is more to this than meets the eye, I just cannot see it being anything to do with the thread,

 

I personally think this has been a seriously bad batch of barrels that has been made and has mistakenly been put on the rifles during manufacture, surely that's all it can be but I,m pretty sure someones head at weihrauch will roll that's for sure,

 

with regards Moles rubbish about not being accurate well that's NOT a new one for me as every single make of air rifle he has ever owned has either been garbage or built like rubbish or falling to bits, weihrauch have not become a best seller for nothing, they are highly accurate air rifles and in the right hands as accurate as any BUT for me I just didn,t get on with the Hw100, after being fettled with it was a highly accurate rifle, but the fettling was done to suit me and not everyone,

 

I don't know where mole buys his rifles from but the rfd must cringe when he walks into the building, an air rifle is exactly what it says on the tin,,, an air rifle,,,

 

some people are expecting miracles from a budget rifle,, it just doesn,t happen,, but slating every manufacturer that has ever built air rifles just doesn,t mix,

 

I,m not getting at mole on a personal basis by the way I am just sick to death of the minute someone has a problem with an air rifle then mole jumps on the bandwagon of slagging every company that ever built an air rifle down,,

 

I have owned some of the most expensive air rifles ever built, I,ve also owned some of the cheaper ones , is there a difference ? , yes of course there is, but you get what you pay for and yes you do get what you pay for,

 

my old weary mk3 was a fantastic rifle,cheap as chips yet did the job, was it as accurate as my hw100 ? well to 25yrds probably yes but after that no chance,,. One thing that shooting the FT series has taught me is you cannot beat quality and quality does not come cheaply, cheap rifles have cheaper made parts with not as high quality steel , it just makes me laugh how someone who owns a very cheaply built rifle thinks it can be as accurate as a top end rifle it is just total rubbish , yes it will shoot straight at short distances and yes it will run at 11.6ftlb but come-on get real about this , anyway enough of my ramblings and let us know how you get on with the new barrel

 

atb Evo

[chrisjpainter]

A bit of an update: My hw110 is being recalled. It shoots fine; groupings are 3/4" at 35yds and it has got the completed barrel thread, but the gun shop called and they still want to recall it. If anyone else has one, it might be worth giving a call to your shop and finding out, even if it's shooting fine

[secretagentmole]

sorry to hear about the recall on your rifle buddy, don't worry once you get it back I,m sure it will be the rifle its meant to be, what I cant work out is " how on earth can a thread on the outside of a barrel affect the accuracy of it ? "Did I ever say the thread on the outside affected the accuracy? No, it was just the way to easily identify if your gun was part of the batch that has been causing problems.

 

I think there is more to this than meets the eye, I just cannot see it being anything to do with the thread, Read the above, repeat until you get the idea.

 

I personally think this has been a seriously bad batch of barrels that has been made and has mistakenly been put on the rifles during manufacture, surely that's all it can be but I,m pretty sure someones head at weihrauch will roll that's for sure, I think so too, just the easy way to identify if yours is one of the suspected batch of bad barrels, the thread starts a third of the way down the thinner part of the barrel.

 

with regards Moles rubbish about not being accurate well that's NOT a new one for me as every single make of air rifle he has ever owned has either been garbage or built like rubbish or falling to bits, weihrauch have not become a best seller for nothing, they are highly accurate air rifles and in the right hands as accurate as any BUT for me I just didn,t get on with the Hw100, after being fettled with it was a highly accurate rifle, but the fettling was done to suit me and not everyone, Not every rifle I have owned has had problems, I had a BSA Ultra MMC, I just hated that ruddy cocking system, had problems with the stock on the 100, not the mechanism, the stock, had problems with 2 springs on HW95s, but that is a well known fault and also affects 77s and 97s too, just think if they can use dodgy barrels they sure as heck can put badly finished springs in, the wife had a problem with a BSA Scorpion that would not group (had to go back to BSA as Knibbs could not get it to group either), had a Hatsan that shot 6 inches to the left at 12 yards, that went back and was replaced, the Walther RM8 I had was low powered, once again a common problem, I am not the only person that has been affected by the problems I have reported.

 

I don't know where mole buys his rifles from but the rfd must cringe when he walks into the building, an air rifle is exactly what it says on the tin,,, an air rifle,,, Solware, Knibbs Countrystore, Redbeck, real bad places eh?

 

some people are expecting miracles from a budget rifle,, it just doesn,t happen,, but slating every manufacturer that has ever built air rifles just doesn,t mix

 

I,m not getting at mole on a personal basis by the way I am just sick to death of the minute someone has a problem with an air rifle then mole jumps on the bandwagon of slagging every company that ever built an air rifle down,,, I do not slate every manufacturer, but quality at most has fallen, look at Daystate, would you have a Huntsman Regal? BSA have also had more than a few problems after excessive penny pinching (using cheaper washers than specified in the R10 regulator really did wonders for that rifle didn't it?)

 

I have owned some of the most expensive air rifles ever built, I,ve also owned some of the cheaper ones , is there a difference ? , yes of course there is, but you get what you pay for and yes you do get what you pay for,

 

my old weary mk3 was a fantastic rifle,cheap as chips yet did the job, was it as accurate as my hw100 ? well to 25yrds probably yes but after that no chance,,. One thing that shooting the FT series has taught me is you cannot beat quality and quality does not come cheaply, cheap rifles have cheaper made parts with not as high quality steel , it just makes me laugh how someone who owns a very cheaply built rifle thinks it can be as accurate as a top end rifle it is just total rubbish , yes it will shoot straight at short distances and yes it will run at 11.6ftlb but come-on get real about this , anyway enough of my ramblings and let us know how you get on with the new barrel

 

atb Evo

 

I just report the problems I have had or personal friends have had.

[evo]

mole do you not find it strange how NEARLY every rifle you have owned you have had problems with, be it BSA ,Air Arms basically the lot,, yet every rifle I have owned I,ve not had a problem with except for my huntsman classic running just over 10ftlb when bought new, daystate sorted it whilst I stood in the factory,

 

I have owned loads of rifles bud but NEVER had problems like yourself, you don't like BSA, that's your opinion, You don't like air arms that's your opinion,you don't like weihrauch but that again is your opinion yet you went out and bought a new one and guess what, the stock on it was bad ,why did you not look at the rifle when you bought it, every single rifle you have owned has been pants, you may just be very unlucky mate I don't know but if I had your luck where air rifles are concerned I would of packed in and took up golf,

 

regards the daystate regal, yep I probably would own one, but it would have to perform as good as my classic as that rifle was awesome to 40yrds, daystate tried to improve the huntsman and it backfired, the huntsman classic was a truelly excellent rifle and they should of left it as that,

 

mole I don't doubt you know your stuff, but I sometimes do wonder why you give the air rifles you have owned such bad press, you slaughter BSA, yet two of the lads I hunt with own BSA,s and I tell ya what , those rifles perform very well and are also very accurate, yes they have been improved compared to the standard rifles BUT that was done basically to improve the rifle so much so they are as good as any,

 

not falling out mate but I just think slating nearly every make of rifle sorry air rifle just seems pointless to me, pointing out faults yes but on my last point Hatstands are not the be all and end all of everything, they are a cheap rifle made cheaply with cheap materials but they shoot well for the money, cant remember you slating them by the way even though you paid well over the price of a new one for a second hand one lol

 

best wishes mole and nothing personal bud

 

atb Evo

Edited June 30, 2016 by evo

[chrisjpainter]

This has got somewhat off the point! Back to the recalls. Hull Cartridge have the serial numbers of the guns requiring recalls, so getting your gunshop to call them with your serial number should help clear whether your gun is in need of it. My HW is having it done anyway, despite shooting fine. Better safe than sorry, plus it's never good in the long term to turn down the option of a recall when it's made!

[oldypigeonpopper]

How does it effect accuracy?

hello, just what i was thinking but i think most silencers would not be suitable due to internal baffles, those rifles that are returned to hull cartridge, a new barrel fitted? and those with the fault sent back to germany to be machine cut and re crowned or where ever the barrels are made. makes you think on quality control at the HW factory

[secretagentmole]

mole do you not find it strange how NEARLY every rifle you have owned you have had problems with, be it BSA ,Air Arms basically the lot,, yet every rifle I have owned I,ve not had a problem with except for my huntsman classic running just over 10ftlb when bought new, daystate sorted it whilst I stood in the factory,

 

I have owned loads of rifles bud but NEVER had problems like yourself, you don't like BSA, that's your opinion, You don't like air arms that's your opinion,you don't like weihrauch but that again is your opinion yet you went out and bought a new one and guess what, the stock on it was bad ,why did you not look at the rifle when you bought it, every single rifle you have owned has been pants, you may just be very unlucky mate I don't know but if I had your luck where air rifles are concerned I would of packed in and took up golf,

 

regards the daystate regal, yep I probably would own one, but it would have to perform as good as my classic as that rifle was awesome to 40yrds, daystate tried to improve the huntsman and it backfired, the huntsman classic was a truelly excellent rifle and they should of left it as that,

 

mole I don't doubt you know your stuff, but I sometimes do wonder why you give the air rifles you have owned such bad press, you slaughter BSA, yet two of the lads I hunt with own BSA,s and I tell ya what , those rifles perform very well and are also very accurate, yes they have been improved compared to the standard rifles BUT that was done basically to improve the rifle so much so they are as good as any,

 

not falling out mate but I just think slating nearly every make of rifle sorry air rifle just seems pointless to me, pointing out faults yes but on my last point Hatstands are not the be all and end all of everything, they are a cheap rifle made cheaply with cheap materials but they shoot well for the money, cant remember you slating them by the way even though you paid well over the price of a new one for a second hand one lol

 

best wishes mole and nothing personal bud

 

atb Evo

 

Not every rifle I have owned has had problems, but BSA have had problems really since the R10, they cheapened designs without looking to the damage to long term reliability and reputation and that came from their chief ruddy designer!

 

I have only had problems with 1 Hatsan and that was a barrel problem as it shot 6 inches to the left at 12 yards and yes I did put up about that, especially seeing as the RFD was on holiday and his staff told me that it would take 2 weeks for Edgar Brothers to sort out (phone call to Edgar Brothers had it sorted out in half an hour and resolved in less than 24 hours).

 

Daystate, BSA and Weihrauch have all tried to save money by cutting back on quality control, Daystate to the point where they had to call in outside help to sort the problems out. It is documented and known. The Regal is a particular thorn in the side of the reputation of what was one of the premier league manufacturers. The Mk 3 was a superb rifle, the X2 was fantastic as well, my wife had a Hunstman Classic and it also was a superb gun.

 

Weihrauch do seem to have lost the grip on quality they used to have, unless everybody who owned a mk 1 77 has rose tinted glasses. Air Arms are not a company I have had a lot of dealing with, but after less than helpful service on a T200 (the original target shooting variant of the Mk 1 S200) I decided to leave them well alone when they wanted £70 to replace a 40p washer behind the pressure gauge and refused to sell one of their RFD's the tools to do the job! Strikes me as being a bit money grabbing. The 3XX, 4XX, 5XX may be superb guns but as I have not fired one I cannot recommend it.

Why did I buy a Weihrauch last time? Because it is the triumph of hope over experience and after the last experience of Hull Cartridge customer service I cannot really recommend it. But the mechanism is superb, accurate, right on the button power wise, just a damned shame about that stock. Quality control/quality assurance again you see.

 

I want Daystate to sort their problems out as their guns are exquisite when working well, which is why I recommend anybody who buys a Daystate to get the power checked at the gun shop at the very least (in my mind all gun shops should check the power of the guns they sell, after all when it leaves their premises their backsides are not on the line, yours is, holding the gun that could well be illegal).

 

Same with BSA, great guns, especially now they have got rid of the stupid MMC cocking system, but other problems have crept in, regulators are still failing with monotonous regularity (why do you think XTX has a roaring trade fitting Humas?), magazines still giving problems as well as the odd rifle that groups at 30 yards like a blunderbus groups at 50!

Weihrauch are still having qa/qc problems across the board and when you pay premium money you expect a premium rifle. I had a bad luck string buying rifles that was a mile long admittedly. But rather than wonder at my bad luck shouldn't you wonder at the sort of industry that can allow that to happen?

 

hello, just what i was thinking but i think most silencers would not be suitable due to internal baffles, those rifles that are returned to hull cartridge, a new barrel fitted? and those with the fault sent back to germany to be machine cut and re crowned or where ever the barrels are made. makes you think on quality control at the HW factory

The barrel will not poke in far enough to push any of the baffles, look at a Weihrauch silencer, nice big lump of metal the barrel screws into at one end which is as long as the part which is turned down and threaded. Indeed the problem with accuracy happened even when the silencer was removed, a very dodgy batch of barrels!

[Wilts#Dave]

So reading through all of this.....are any of the higher end multi shot pcp's worth buying??!! Doesn't sound like any are much cop!

I've looked at hw100kt's and like the feel of them then read bad things, same with the regal and same with the r10....surely something must come out of the box accurate for £700 + ?!

[timmytree]

I was considering an HW PCP as a present to me, not now though. I've got an S200 which is supremely accurate so I'm going for a slightly updated version, the CZ 200 Hunter with a bigger airtube for £360. Add a multishot, scope, bag, pellets and still have money left over.