super sharp shooter Posted February 10, 2017 Report Share Posted February 10, 2017 Need some advice please. I have got permission to shoot vermin and cwd on the land where i shoot pigeons. The question is what calibers to i put down on my application to cover the the species i have mentioned. I have shot some rifles over the years but never owned one myself so not sure what i would be able to get on my licence. Thanks SSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckyshot Posted February 10, 2017 Report Share Posted February 10, 2017 (edited) You can get what ever you need, personally I would go 22rf a small cf and a 243. You could go for a triple or a 223 but that would then limit you for roe if you ever get the chance. That will cover all your needs. Edited February 10, 2017 by Luckyshot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super sharp shooter Posted February 10, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2017 The issue is I'm new to the fac world and its my first application. So i have never owned a rifle and i know they are not to keen on granting larger centre fire rifles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zetter Posted February 10, 2017 Report Share Posted February 10, 2017 You need to find out if the land is cleared and if so for what calibres otherwise you will need to get it cleared. If its Northants the land is on give the firearms team there a bell with the postcode of the farm you have the permission on and get them to check it hopefully it will be cleared up to the calibre you need for the species. If not you will need to get them out to clear it for the calibre to shoot the quarry you want to. If this is first application you will almost certainly be on a closed ticket so the land will need to be cleared for the calibres you want to shoot there by the FEO for that area. Also for first centre fire they may hit you with a mentoring condition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super sharp shooter Posted February 10, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2017 I'm not sure what the land is cleared for but there is a guy that already shoots the deer but he cant get on there as much as he needs to to control them. I will get onto the firearms department on Monday to find out what it's cleared for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zetter Posted February 10, 2017 Report Share Posted February 10, 2017 (edited) Its worth checking. I shoot over some ground in Beds and someone has the deer rights on it (im a bunny/ pigeon shooter) when I wanted to use my FAC from another permission on it after the farmer gave me the go ahead to shoot the FAC there. I checked and was suprised to find it wasnt cleared at all for anything so I assume the stalker was on open ticket. Also interestingly enough the max I could get it cleared for was .22CF due to footpaths so even if I got onto the deer there the roe are quite safe! Fortunately I caught the FEO when she was in the area and go it cleared for my calibres fairly quickly but it did give me a lesson in never assuming if you are on a closed ticket. Edited February 10, 2017 by Zetter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super sharp shooter Posted February 11, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2017 I now have 2 farms to shoot on so do i include both of them on the application? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zetter Posted February 11, 2017 Report Share Posted February 11, 2017 Nope just pick the one you want to lodge your applications against then if you get other permissions its just a case of confirming they are cleared for the calibre you want to shoot on it (if on a closed ticket). I have a couple of permissions but stuck the big one down to cover all my calibres. In Thames Valley they also generally want a signed permission form to confirm you have permission to shoot there and what you can shoot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow white Posted February 11, 2017 Report Share Posted February 11, 2017 Put down all permisions if you get a closed ticket you can only shoot on the land that you put down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zetter Posted February 11, 2017 Report Share Posted February 11, 2017 That's not the case as far as I understand it. The specification on a closed FAC states you are able to shoot on land that has been deemed suitable by the chief constable that you have permission to shoot on it doesnt matter who it was deemed suitable for as long as it has been deemed suitable for the calibre you want to use. On a new permission if you are on closed ticket the only obligation you have is to satisfy yourself that the ground has been cleared for the calibre you want to shoot on it. The only difference between an open and closed FAC is that on an open FAC the shooter can make the decision if they can safely use the calibre they want to shoot on the land on a closed FAC the police make this judgement (in both cases of course you must have the permission of the owner of the land). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendrix's rifle Posted February 11, 2017 Report Share Posted February 11, 2017 That's not the case as far as I understand it. The specification on a closed FAC states you are able to shoot on land that has been deemed suitable by the chief constable that you have permission to shoot on it doesnt matter who it was deemed suitable for as long as it has been deemed suitable for the calibre you want to use. On a new permission if you are on closed ticket the only obligation you have is to satisfy yourself that the ground has been cleared for the calibre you want to shoot on it. The only difference between an open and closed FAC is that on an open FAC the shooter can make the decision if they can safely use the calibre they want to shoot on the land on a closed FAC the police make this judgement (in both cases of course you must have the permission of the owner of the land). Well said. Closed ticket providing the land has been cleared for x calibre and you have landowners consent fill yer boots Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super sharp shooter Posted February 15, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 Called in to get my permission slip signed today so all good to go in the post tomorrow. Lets see how long it takes in northamptonshire to grant a ticket.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 Good luck with the application. Here they would not give C/F without demonstrating experience or complete a safety course. The closed ticket is a pita. I have 4 applications for clearance now. THe FAO is out to see me in the morning but he only covers two of them. I have some permissions with no clearance, some for .22 and some for .243. Keeping track of what and where is a headache. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super sharp shooter Posted February 15, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 Hopefully it's a bit more simple as I've only put in one permission Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lloydi73 Posted February 20, 2017 Report Share Posted February 20, 2017 Bit obvious but I'll say anyway, as a fellow newbie to this excellent sport, also make sure you're aware of the rules and laws for deer staking!! I.E there are minimum calibres for the differing species of deer, in England and Scotland, minimum calibres is 220 for small deer like Munties and CWD, then 240 for the bigger stuff like roe, fallow reds etc. Also, there is criteria on minimum muzzle velocitys for the differing species. You can't shoot them hour before sunrise or hour after sunset, you can't shoot from a moving vehicle, if you shoot one and it runs to adjoining/neighbouring premises you don't have permission on, lawfully you're supposed to get permission to retrieve it etc etc.........Sorry if you already know about this, but I just thought worth pointing out. I attended and successfully completed the DSc 1 with NGO and it's an excellent and very worthwhile course if you haven't been lucky enough to be taken out by an experienced stalker. Gralloching experience is another thing to get to grips with. Good luck and good hunting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super sharp shooter Posted February 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2017 As my perm is under a different force to where my application is I am unable to ask what the land is cleared for and only my firearms department can request this information. I was only asking as it asked on the application what the land is cleared for and what force checked it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zetter Posted February 21, 2017 Report Share Posted February 21, 2017 What area is your Perm in mate? Mine was in a different county and all I did was E-Mail Beds in this case and asked them if the post code was cleared and up to what calibre. Beds/ Herts were really helpful when I asked and no one made mention of it being only available to the FEOs of the applying force I got the impression it was freely available public information on request? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super sharp shooter Posted February 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2017 The perm is Thems valley I'm in Northamptonshire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zetter Posted February 21, 2017 Report Share Posted February 21, 2017 After dealing with TVP I would just ring Kidlington office and check the post code with them. When I wanted to add a permission in Beds I was basically told to ring Beds and ask them if it was cleared so I sort of think that TVP are more than happy for the shooter to get the information themselves. One word of warning though if the ground isn't cleared it could be a long wait to get it sorted. A Friend wanted a bit of ground cleared for .22-250 when it was cleared up to .223 and that took the best part of 4 months. Fingers crossed its already been sorted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super sharp shooter Posted February 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2017 Thanks for the advice zetta i will give them a call tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lloydi73 Posted February 21, 2017 Report Share Posted February 21, 2017 I'm TVP, but I had a perm Under Glos, I just emailed glos firearms dept with a google map highlighting the plot, gave all My license details, contact details of me and the landowner, they were so quick, they cleared it within 3 days of the email including going out to see it....good luck.., Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super sharp shooter Posted February 28, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 Well that was quick. I have my interview on Monday and also found out that the land is cleared for full bore. Happy days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super sharp shooter Posted March 6, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 6, 2017 Interview went well today with all 3 calibers granted. Just the 8week wait for the licence to arrive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zetter Posted March 6, 2017 Report Share Posted March 6, 2017 Sweet mate congratulation on that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super sharp shooter Posted June 16, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2017 Got the call from the FEO yesterday to arrange a day to drop of my ticket. Roll on Tuesday and time to go shopping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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