Moley1508 Posted March 12, 2017 Report Share Posted March 12, 2017 (edited) hi all, I used a silver pigeon today for the first time (borrowed) it felt uncomfortable to me in that when mounted in my shoulder so that the butt pad sat well, I was unable to get the rail flat in my field of vision. the only way I could counter this was to raise the butt pad to a point where the bottom edge was digging into the upper part of my shoulder hope that makes sense? so, the silver pigeon was a consideration for when my SC arrives but now I have tried it, is this problem my fault i.e. poor mounting, although the instructor did not mention it, or should I discount this gun and look for something with a more aggressive angled receiver and lower stock to bring the rear of the rail flatter? if so, any suggestions? sorry if I have not explained that too well, hope you get what I mean. thanks in advance, Moley Edited March 12, 2017 by Moley1508 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrowningB525 Posted March 12, 2017 Report Share Posted March 12, 2017 I am the same. Are you tall or do you have a long beck or face by any chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moley1508 Posted March 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2017 I think I am sadly average, 5 10, stockyish, regular fit jackets for suits with 46 inch chest. face is average too lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted March 12, 2017 Report Share Posted March 12, 2017 Try a Browning or Miroku! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted March 12, 2017 Report Share Posted March 12, 2017 It sounds like the comb is way too low. Try a Trap gun - if that fits - you have a better idea of good gun fit. Alternatively, temporarily tape some cardboard on top of the stock, until you get the gun properly in your shoulder and your eye looking along the rib of the barrel. If that is okay, you can then consider an adjustable comb fitted to your stock, buy a trap / higher stock or use one of the kits which have different pieces of foam to raise the comb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moley1508 Posted March 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2017 thanks Gordon, I have a rfd with a simulator so will book some time on there to try a trap gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunman Posted March 12, 2017 Report Share Posted March 12, 2017 If you are new to shooting then the chances are it is your mount and stance that need to be worked on . Sorry to say many so called instructors do not take the time needed to work on this . I would say that 60% of gun fit problems I dealt with were largely cured by getting this right . Try mounting the gun pointing as if to take a high bird, that is barrels up in the air ,not on a level . You may find that it comes up to your face and in line far better . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted March 12, 2017 Report Share Posted March 12, 2017 That is a very valid point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted March 12, 2017 Report Share Posted March 12, 2017 PM sent. This could be all manner of things and without seeing the OP with the gun it's all guess work. My concern is an "instructor" didn't correct him over mounting the gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunman Posted March 13, 2017 Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 Thats a fact .To many "instructors" dont know anything about gun fit except what they like . Not the same thing at all . See a gun fitter first . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted March 13, 2017 Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 Thats a fact .To many "instructors" dont know anything about gun fit except what they like . Not the same thing at all . See a gun fitter first . On the same to many gunsmiths think they know all about gun fit and don't know very much. As above find a gunfitter you'd not ask a stock maker to make you some barrels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westward Posted March 13, 2017 Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 I was unable to get the rail flat in my field of vision. I think you'll find that the gun makers don't design guns so that you have the rib flat in your field of vision. They expect you to have your line of sight above the rib to enable 'pointing' rather than 'aiming'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alawbach Posted March 13, 2017 Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 I had same issue with silver pigeon and found Browning suited me better,both are fine guns but it seems people fall into one brand and don't get on with the other, I would suggest trying Browning, you will know when you get the right gun, will just feel right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunman Posted March 13, 2017 Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 The main point is I think Moley is a new shooter and needs to learn how to shoot ,with all its ins and outs . Said it before and will say it again you can not fit a gun to a man who can not shoot . Like all things it will take time and practice . All any of us can do is offer practical advice ,some of it may not be relevant . Buy the gun you like and learn to shoot with it .Everything else comes later . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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