17 HMR Which One?

[pin]

It's all about what you want.

 

I want it to shoot where I point it, and to not throw a hissy fit if it gets scratched/wet/muddy etc.

 

CZ fitted that bill perfectly. Its not a bad piece of wood on mine, looks the part too. Not as much of a looker as the annie or the sako, but then for £290 it won't be

 

The bolt was mega stiff and it probably won't wear to be as smooth as either of the above in 20 years of constant use, but it chambers the rounds and shoots where I want it too.

[ShaggyRS6]

There seems to be alot of Anchuz HMR. Anyone in particular I should be looking at?

[sussex lad]

This would be my choice

http://www.laddsguns.com/ladd_rfdetail.asp...p;rfrifleid=251

But then I'm biased i have the .22 version :blink:

[naddan28]

This would be my choice

http://www.laddsguns.com/ladd_rfdetail.asp...p;rfrifleid=251

But then I'm biased i have the .22 version :blink:

that looks sweet!

[ShaggyRS6]

Darker wood would be nicer i rekon

[dunganick]

Cz's are very accurate guns, however the difference between a CZ and say a anschutz or cooper, is the consstancy. A anschutz or cooper will shoot one hole groups all day long every day, on the other hand if you ask alot of cz owners they have had days when the zero has moved and they cant explain it (maybe the choice in optics because most cz owners are tight ) but it may also be something to do with the inletting in the stock not being anywhere near perfect from factory, but even if you do float the barrel, on the varmint version the front lug will still pull the barrel against the wood in most cases.

 

To get a cz to shoot consistantly it really wants to be glass bedded amoungst other things.

 

However they are more than good enough for field use.

 

This is my opinion as a cz owner :blink:

 

not to mention that the 17hmr is also a very funny cartridge and a bit temptermental as is.

[tuck1]

CZ/Brno always had a bit of a reputation for "farmers guns" I think, there's still hundreds around who get the odd outing taking care of something or other. I can't really argue with any of the above - I guess if you really care about the look or wood on a gun, a Sako or Annie might be the one for you. I take on board the comments about consistency too. I am in no way a competition shooter, but I do need a gun that can cope with a few knocks, a bit of mud, and me not to worry too much about it, and as long as it goes bang when I want it to, I'm happy. All the above will do the biz, I tried a CZ and it felt right, and I'm sure the capability of the gun is much higher than mine! Maybe one day, I'll try the others - but some people like to try different stuff, I like to stick with what I know, learn it's strengths and faults, and shoot it accordingly. Progressive? Certainly not! But I'm happy...

[tulkyuk]

Why not try a weihrauch - mine is a spot on rifle and shoots 1 hole groups all day long - even with a barrel 'chop' down to 15" - it aslo has a 2 stage fully ajustable trigger as standard - and if you want a cheap 1 a mate of mine is selling his ( not modded in any why - as original out the box).

 

the 1 below is mine ( yes i know the cooker needs cleaning)

[Oly]

Trust me, once you've had an Anschutz you won't want to go back to anything else! To me the £100/mm that Pin talks is good value..."because I'm worth it"!!! Beyond that though the build quality and back up (doubt you'll need it though! ) is also included in the price. :blink:

 

I would sell all my guns before I would sell my Anschutz...that's how good it is! :blink:

[dunganick]

Why not try a weihrauch - mine is a spot on rifle and shoots 1 hole groups all day long - even with a barrel 'chop' down to 15" - it aslo has a 2 stage fully ajustable trigger as standard - and if you want a cheap 1 a mate of mine is selling his ( not modded in any why - as original out the box).

 

the 1 below is mine ( yes i know the cooker needs cleaning)

 

 

spent alot of time shooting with a hw60j, and they are great rifles, but you can also use them for land anchors because they weight a ton. A seriously over engineered gun.

 

Also and i know i will get my ear bent for saying this, but i know a fella who is a sako fanatic, owns upwards of 10 sako's and he sold his quad, said it wasnt worth anything. Wouldnt hold zero when removing and replacing his silencer (tried several different ones) had it worked on by a very respectable gun shop in bisley camp and basically his conclusion was it was rubbish. He bought a savage believe it or not and is now very happy with it.

 

I dont normally take peoples words for things however this guy lives for sako's and i know he wouldnt have got rid of it if he didnt have a good reason to.

[Oly]

I dont normally take peoples words for things however this guy lives for sako's and i know he wouldnt have got rid of it if he didnt have a good reason to.

 

I know what he means, the quad is not up to their usual quality. If I were buying one I would buy an older used model rather than a new quad. :blink:

[dunganick]

I dont normally take peoples words for things however this guy lives for sako's and i know he wouldnt have got rid of it if he didnt have a good reason to.

 

I know what he means, the quad is not up to their usual quality. If I were buying one I would buy an older used model rather than a new quad. :blink:

 

unfortunatly only avalible in .22lr or .17mach2 with some expensive work by a gunsmith.

[Oly]

unfortunatly only avalible in .22lr or .17mach2 with some expensive work by a gunsmith.

 

I would only go for a .22lr anyway!! :blink:

 

It'll be interesting to see where the .17HMR is in another 10yrs, what the secondhand value of the HMR rifles are like, availability of HMR ammo...and what the next 'greatest' and 'latest' rimfire ammo is claiming and how many people are part-ex'ing their other rimfire rifles for. One thing's for sure....22lr still will be around and shooting well!! :yp: :blink:

[dunganick]

unfortunatly only avalible in .22lr or .17mach2 with some expensive work by a gunsmith.

 

I would only go for a .22lr anyway!! :blink:

 

It'll be interesting to see where the .17HMR is in another 10yrs, what the secondhand value of the HMR rifles are like, availability of HMR ammo...and what the next 'greatest' and 'latest' rimfire ammo is claiming and how many people are part-ex'ing their other rimfire rifles for. One thing's for sure....22lr still will be around and shooting well!! :yp: :blink:

 

i share your views, however i know lot of people on here wont.

 

To be fair though, it allows alot of first time applicants a way into more serious fox control and more challenging ranges of rabbit control.

 

It has its place, just not along side small centerfires/

[Oly]

To be fair though, it allows alot of first time applicants a way into more serious fox control and more challenging ranges of rabbit control.

 

It has its place, just not along side small centerfires/

 

True, I just have a sneaky feeling that often the rifle/ammunition manufacturers just develop new rounds so that then they end up finding one like the HMR that takes off for a while, boosting their ammo & rifle sales! :blink:

 

I like your final sentance - initially many FLO's granted the .17HMR for foxes, but now the majority (please note: not all! :blink: ) won't even grant it for occasional foxes, but most still do for the .22lr!

[pin]

If you read into it, and the history you will see its been in development now for over 8 years.

 

I take on board the very well made comments about how long it will last compared to the ubiquitous .22lr, but I can't have it said that this is just a "whim" of the ammo manufacturers, simply isn't true.

 

It is seeing a lot of support, and it is an amazing little round, but it's not a centrefire and can't be compared to say the hornet - it simply wasn't meant to compete with a round like that and it is unfair to compare it like for like.

[dunganick]

If you read into it, and the history you will see its been in development now for over 8 years.

 

I take on board the very well made comments about how long it will last compared to the ubiquitous .22lr, but I can't have it said that this is just a "whim" of the ammo manufacturers, simply isn't true.

 

It is seeing a lot of support, and it is an amazing little round, but it's not a centrefire and can't be compared to say the hornet - it simply wasn't meant to compete with a round like that and it is unfair to compare it like for like.

 

 

it is really a 'centerfire' for beginers, it allows you to take out foxes more comfortably at short range than the .22 and rabbits and corvids at some quite impressive ranges. And you can get it on your first application typically. This is why i believe it will always be popular with people who'm cant afford a centrefire for corvid control or cant get one.

 

Not certain its a whim, just personally i dont have a use for it

[sandersj89]

This would be my choice

http://www.laddsguns.com/ladd_rfdetail.asp...p;rfrifleid=251

But then I'm biased i have the .22 version :blink:

 

Oi! That was the one I was going to buy last week but when I got to the gun shop they were shut.....

 

Just hope it is still there next time I am in Devon!

 

:blink:

Jerry

[Oly]

If you read into it, and the history you will see its been in development now for over 8 years.

 

But only on sale to the public for a few of those.

 

I can't have it said that this is just a "whim" of the ammo manufacturers, simply isn't true.

 

It is seeing a lot of support, and it is an amazing little round

 

That has been said about many other rimfire rounds in the past though. I'm just going off what has gone before really...ultimately only one sticks around, the .22lr

 

it is really a 'centerfire' for beginers, it allows you to take out foxes more comfortably at short range than the .22 and rabbits and corvids at some quite impressive ranges. And you can get it on your first application typically. This is why i believe it will always be popular with people who'm cant afford a centrefire for corvid control or cant get one.

 

Wouldn't go so far as to say it's a centrefire for beginers , and I would always prefer a .22lr with CCI Velocitor ammo over any tiny .17hmr round for foxes. :blink:

 

But I agree, it is a great fun round that can be used to shoot rabbits and crows at decent ranges, plus like you mention it is easy to get as your first rifle. Personally though, if it's long shots at rabbits and crows that your after, I would go for a better heavy barrelled .22lr and more practice - it's a great round to sort the men from the boys in distance shooting! :blink:

[al4x]

you really want to try an HMR there simply is no comparrison the reason its likened to a small centrefire is de to the flat shooting ability. It really is a pleasure shooting vermin with one and I'd like to see the average 22 shooter take a magpie at 150 yards which is something the average HMR shooter will manage nearly every time. Just about the only thing that gets publicised about them is the effect of wind and yes it does affect them but not much more than the LR and in practice all you do with the HMR is decrease the distance or allow for it.

I know a lot of sceptics that now have one in their cabinet most have kept their .22 but usually it just stays there as you need a good reason to get it out either loads of rabbits or shooting near houses, because the .17 will do everything it does and give you the ability to shoot at twice the distance

[tuck1]

I think it's a very interesting little round. There have been trends with calibres throughout time, a weapons/gun/calibre historian will know. I remember .22 Hornet being a bit "trendy" and every man and his dog had one. This is no disrespect to the round itself, just an observation.

 

I have a feeling that this little round is here to stay though. I think one of the causes of uncertainty with it is the apparent shortages of ammo - but once people know they can call at an RFD and get it, guaranteed, I think things will change a little bit. Also, now we live in this age of Health and Safety, and an obsession with words like "frangible", it really seems to fill a niche. I love the idea of a longer distance crow killer, which is cheap(ish) to run, and can be used to take the odd fox. If only it could be moderated a bit better - but maybe that is just a matter of time. I am certainly very interested, but being an old stick in the mud, am researching it to death! And the .22 suits my style of shooting at the moment, lots of creeping about and short range shots.

 

I think if I was controlling vermin for a job, I would have invested already. I'm watching all these posts with interest!

[Oly]

you really want to try an HMR there simply is no comparrison the reason its likened to a small centrefire is de to the flat shooting ability. It really is a pleasure shooting vermin with one and I'd like to see the average 22 shooter take a magpie at 150 yards which is something the average HMR shooter will manage nearly every time. Just about the only thing that gets publicised about them is the effect of wind and yes it does affect them but not much more than the LR and in practice all you do with the HMR is decrease the distance or allow for it.

I know a lot of sceptics that now have one in their cabinet most have kept their .22 but usually it just stays there as you need a good reason to get it out either loads of rabbits or shooting near houses, because the .17 will do everything it does and give you the ability to shoot at twice the distance

 

Tried it, still wouldn't buy one. They're just not for me, too noisy and yes more wind deflection than the .22lr (as it's a lighter round it's inevitable), more expensive ammo and less weight in the bullet for put down power . As for the 'average' 22 shooter not being able to hit a magpie at 150yrds...surely that's part of the attraction...I know I can hit that size of target with my .22 at that kind of range. Given that a .17HMR may be able to hit a target at a slightly further range on a still day it's just not worth the extra cost of ammo, let alone the risk that they may be out of favour in a few years, over a decent .22lr IMHO.

[magman]

Oly have you ever shot a hmr ?

if not and you are close enough to me come and try it then make your mind up mate

no fee for bullets but might change your opinion

ps, love me 22 r/f but the hmr will outshoot it ever time at 100 yrds

 

less weight in the bullet for put down power

 

no way does the hmr have less put down power

[ShaggyRS6]

I wish I'd not asked now. Im even more confused after reading the last 2 pages

[lazza]

I have a cz hmr and a cz .22, both have their uses, it's horses for courses. It took me a while to get used to the hmr, as it so different to the .22 and is affected by the wind but now it's a very useful tool for longer range work. I've had crows fly off after being hit with the .22, but never with the hmr. The hmr probably gets more use than the .22 now, although come harvest the .22 will be used more for lamping rabbits. Although I hear lots of stories of people shooting foxes with the hmr, I still prefer the centrefire for that job.